August 19th, 2024 Meeting

Okay, it is August 19th, 9:05 a.m. I'm calling the meeting to order.

Everybody look at the agenda, can we approve that?

So move.

I'll approve the agenda.

I'll second.

Motion made and second, approve the agenda as presented.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Any, no opposition?

The motion carries.

So we've approved our agenda.

We will look at claims correspondence, journal vouchers,

treasure security, and July treasury report.

We will take a temporary recess.

Okay, it is 9:30.

We had no 9:15 public comments on the agenda.

J. Perry Wolf, agent paperwork, accident on 8/7 of 2024.

We have Tammy present and Dottie present.

This is the agent paper.

Oh.

Yeah, for some reason they wanted us to present it to them.

[inaudible]

Oh, always.

Yeah.

Under the guidance, I'm going to read this.

Under the guidance of the MaCo PCT Board of Trustees this year,

we are providing you with a 2024-2025 agent commission check.

Prior years, the checks were sent directly to the agents

of the corporate office.

J. Perry Wolf's current commission is 13%.

Note that agent agency and commission percentage

is negotiated directly by you and your agent.

MaCo PCT simply applies the agreed upon amount

in the agent appointment and agreement.

Please take this opportunity to meet with your agent,

deliver their commission check, and fill out the enclosed blank agent

appointment and agreement.

Please return it to our office at your earliest convenience.

Should you have any questions, talk to Hope Barker.

OK, well.

And I didn't want to rip the check, so.

You have been presented.

Thank you.

And you might need to fill something out on this one also.

I don't know.

Yep.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

We've got to negotiate.

In the last page, it says what your percentage is.

Good morning, Burl.

How's it going?

Burl Bowler, Editor of the Leader, has entered the room.

And he's present.

Oh, I like that kind of announcement.

Yeah.

Pretty cool.

He sits in the back row.

Yeah.

So is that what it's supposed to be?

Yeah, that's what it's been.

So.

Yeah.

For ever and ever?

Well, since we started with.

MaCo about five years ago.

So.

What you figure the worth is.

Well, maybe you should tell us about the incident first, and we'll see.

But don't worry.

Yes.

I guess.

I need your decision whether we, the estimate for the Ford Explorer's $11,577 or something like that.

And as of last week, we still didn't have, we, or the sheriff's office still didn't have the Highway Patrol report.

Josh Dover's the one that did it.

Clint was going to follow up with him.

There's the paperwork that Clint filled out right there.

That's the one that Clint filled out.

Yeah.

We have that one when we were looking for the bottom line.

Once we have it, we submit it to MaCo and they pay the claim less than $2,500 deductible.

And then they will subrogate based on everything that's in that report.

And what I've been told, there's little question about responsibility or the negligence.

Or when we get the information, then it can be submitted direct to whoever the Nelson's insurance is.

I wrote to MaCo and verified that they would pursue it.

Asked whether there was a threshold.

She said MaCo does not have a threshold value for pursuing subrogation or restitution in these types of cases.

It is our intention to protect and apply all recovery options available for our members.

We also ask for the entire cost for damages, including the deductible and any towing charges that the member may have incurred.

Typically, the other insurance carriers drag their feet, hoping their driver is going to get out of a ticket

and basically tell their members that they can submit it to their own insurance.

Where we don't care if their driver gets out of the ticket.

That will not change the facts of the accident or their pursuit of subrogation on behalf of the Daniels County.

And because it's a vehicle, we're only entitled to the actual cash value anyway.

Had the same incident occurred and they ran into a building.

ran into the courthouse or the sheriff's office or the county shop.

I'd be here telling them we'll submit the claim under MaCo because we have replacement cost coverage.

There, where Montana law is that if we submitted, say it was the same $11,000 worth of damage to a building.

All whoever their insurance company is, we know is actual cash value on a liability basis.

And so I would say we definitely want to put the claim in under the MaCo policy.

Because then we get replacement cost coverage instead of actual cash value.

But it really doesn't make a lot of difference in this case.

Because we're only going to get actual cash value anyway.

Or the amount of whatever the charges are.

I can't read those two words.

Todd Nelson also rear ended.

So I don't know whether [inaudible]

Todd Nelson also rear ended LeRoy Nelson. So I'm guessing, what I heard, that.

After he side swiped, the vehicle, it just kept going.

It was like a whole O.J. Simpson slow moving pursuit type thing.

And I'm guessing LeRoy went around in front of him.

Because he was only going five miles an hour, is what I was told.

So that's how he finally got stopped. I'm guessing, based on

The report is that LeRoy got in front of him and stopped.

And then Todd hit him as well.

So like I say, I just need to know.

And in my estimation, there's no reason not to let MaCo go ahead and do it.

$9,200 or whatever, $2,500 is off of that.

And then MaCo is assured in this letter that they're going to pursue

subrogation and say for some crazy reason

they only got $2,000 back.

Because it wasn't insurance and that's all they could afford or whatever.

The laws read that the claimant, or in this case the insured,

will be made whole and so the first, up to first $2,500

that MaCo would get in subrogation will come back to the county and say

if they only got $2,000 a whole $2,000 would come to the county

to make up the deductible and try to make the county whole.

But the indication that there is insurance, and we just like to say

because we don't have the Highway Patrol and Clint requested it again last week

when I talked to him about whether Josh didn't get it to him

or he didn't get it up to me, I don't know.

We can get the ball rolling by getting that check for 9,200 which is the estimate.

That's the deductible and then we'll get the balance when they get,

they fight with them and their insurance company.

I don't know why they would delay unless they're totally misinformed

because it really makes no difference whether a person gets a ticket or not.

There's all kinds of legalities that they could pull and get out of a ticket.

It's based on the facts that they obviously sideswiped the vehicle.

So the liability is there.

When we find out who the company is, they certainly will pay it.

I don't know if it matters at this, but how did this all take place?

Do you know any particulars?

Was he in pursuit of this pickup and header trailer?

No.

He was out on the side of the road doing something else.

Exactly.

He already initiated the stop on another vehicle.

And Leroy, I don't know if it was a pickup, or a one-ton or what it was, pulling a header,

went around him and when I first heard about it, it was he nearly took the door off.

I thought that meant it was a near hit and nothing really happened until I see the picture.

I mean, it started in the rear window on the whole left side.

has got damage and then he just kept going to be at only about five miles an hour.

It's not according to what I'm told.

I'm just reading into the situation, but that's probably how they did get him stopped.

Leroy went around in front of him.

Was Leroy flagging or something?

Actually, [inaudible]

He was in the process of trying to get his license.

And as it was being pulled and called in, LeRoy was standing by Todd's window.

and started yelling, stop, stop, don't quit, stop moving, and he just kept going through.

It was Todd driving, so then it sounded like the trailer struck the car.

And then I didn't know about the LeRoy stopping him, but he was pulling a header trailer.

I don't know if the header was on it.

Header was on it.

I guess my question is how did Clint get there?

Somebody called in.

He was driving. Erratically or something.

He was doing a traffic stop.

Oh, was he?

Okay, on somebody else.

No, no, on Todd.

On Todd?

They had called in on Todd because Todd was driving 5 to 45 miles an hour all over the road.

Sounds like [inaudible] he was at a dead stop.

Most definitely.

Yeah, he had stopped and talked to him and got the driver's license.

This is all after the fact.

Well, the report says that Daniels County Sheriff's Office, 2022 Ford Explorer,

was side-swiped by Todd Nelson during a DUI traffic stop.

Was it his traffic stop or somebody else's traffic stop?

It was his.

Todd's.

Todd and Clint.

So there was nobody else involved?

Doesn't sound like it.

Todd and Sheriff.

And there was a deputy sheriff there.

Yeah, Cade was there.

And Border Patrol ended up being there.

And then Highway Patrol got called.

Could I give a copy of that?

This?

I believe so.

Is it public access?

Thank you.

Because he's not responded to my request yet.

So what's our issue, here, Perry?

Are you fine with having it turned into MaCo?

Yeah, I am.

That will get the ball rolling.

They're a lot better negotiators than you, huh?

Well, whoever the carrier is, I guess, I could send it to ABC company or whatever.

Theoretically, somebody here has been a county employee in this case.

So we have to give Clint the primary contact.

That's an expensive way to make copies.

You've got those two bills for the deductible on the motor grader hitting the electrical box and the other one on the...

I don't know.

Civil Rights. I don't think so.

Unless Jess has it.

Let me check with her.

Thank you.

So, there's this winner.

Do they need a plain blank?

Yes.

The green one.

Yeah, as long as it's his copy and then it's black.

Green is color, I think.

Do you have any buttons here?

Just as you know in the sunroom.

One is the greener than the other one.

What's the other one?

The chair.

We have to pay makeovers?

Yep.

Put them both on the same plane?

Yep.

Okay.

Okay.

No, no.

I signed it.

He signed it.

I know and I asked him what figure he wanted and he says what's it worth to you, right?

So, would you still be happy with the current rate from your commission?

I know we would be.

Is that doable?

Thank you.

All right. Thank you very much.

What is this for?

This is for the chair support.

This is for the board.

This is for the board.

This is for the board.

For the percentage or to approve both?

Well, it's actually two different subject matters, right?

So, we would approve to move forward with the claim with Mako on the vehicle.

Yeah, I already said the commissioners approve that.

Okay, so that motion?

No, approve.

13%.

And Perry being the agent.

Okay.

Motion made and seconded to accept Perry at 13% commission for our agent.

All those in favor?

Aye.

No opposition.

And then let's do another motion to move forward with the insurance claim on the vehicle, the sheriff's vehicle, right?

So, move.

Move forward.

I'll second.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

No opposition.

Yeah.

All those in favor, please say aye.

Aye.

No opposition.

And so then this other thing from Mako, we've got to.

Great.

What's this doing thing?

Anderson.

No, the lawsuit was filed against the sheriff in the county for violation of civil rights.

And that particular section of the.

And general liability section that's going to fall under has a $5,000 deductible.

And so they're building the county for the deductible.

The other one for 2,500 was over greater than right back into the points and pure list.

And that has a $2,000 deductible.

And so they're building the county 2,000 deductible.

They paid the pro quo up for the damages and then whatever.

That was a $4,000 or whatever.

Then they paid to the county pays the 2 on the deductible side.

Thank you.

Yeah.

Well, thanks for explaining the.

Thank you.

Thanks for.

Give all or anything else.

Thank you.

It is 10 o'clock.

Right on schedule.

Tammy Flattiger clerk of court.

County superintendent of schools.

Plain processing.

Go be school budget.

Oh, Perry Wolf has left the building.

Ellis has left the building.

Perry's left the building.

He part of this.

You have a preference to try to talk about claims or school budget.

Claims at top of the list.

All right.

Well, I was just curious about the whole claims process.

Just to see if we're missing something.

A step along the way.

I submitted a claim for office supplies.

And I was disallowed a portion of it, which is fine.

But I was curious as to who disallowed it.

And why I wasn't spoke to why it was disallowed.

And then just to further it only part of it.

So the check was made out for 345.

The claim was 378, but 7308 was disallowed.

So it seems like part of it got paid through my clerk budget.

But maybe the disallowed part didn't go through superintendent.

And I just kind of wanted to see if we're missing a step.

Like if the department head should be called to explain what their purchase was.

And maybe see if there's a different side.

If they could, you know, give a valid reason as to why it was disallowed.

So the total of your claim minus this ice maker, you didn't get paid that other whole amount or what?

Or you got paid too much of it?

Or what happened?

Also they disallowed 7308, but only $40 or so that was disallowed.

Jess?

But that's, I'm not worried about the money.

I'm worried about the process.

Well that's the whole thing though.

If the whole 73 was disallowed, no, not at all.

But that's not the whole thing.

The whole thing is the process.

Not the money.

I'm not worried about the money.

So if I owe you money, fine, whatever.

But I wanted an opportunity to explain why we put it on there.

I don't know why they didn't call you, I guess.

Well should the money part didn't come out right from disallowed to what she got paid?

But again, it's not about the money.

It's about the process.

Why wasn't I?

Well I don't know why they didn't call you.

I guess they should have after they disallowed it.

They should have told you, I guess.

Because she had another claim with it.

Right.

But the 378, she got paid three.

There's another claim that was...

Oh, there's another claim.

Breakfast, pizza for...

And so it's on that one, but it still doesn't end up.

Let me go and...

So where's that claim, I guess?

Well we didn't send you that copy because nothing was disallowed on that one.

But I didn't get any money for that one.

You would have.

I lost now.

But I'm just worried about the process.

Like who disallows it?

I know you did.

Commission did.

Okay.

And I wrote on the corner.

That's my handwriting.

I wrote it.

Okay.

That we disallowed that $73 and whatever.

Okay.

We've done that before.

But you can...

And yeah, we should communicate that we did disallow it.

And this is why we did disallow it.

Yeah.

I mean, I think it's a learning opportunity.

Not only for that person, but for...

You know, like why the heck did you do that?

Well, here's why.

Oh, okay.

That makes sense.

Or no, you're still full of pot air, whatever.

But it's a learning opportunity.

So I just want to make sure we weren't missing that and that

everybody got a chance to...

Well, you know, I feel like...

Well, I think part of it is because it's so normal that we

don't pay for appliances for individual offices that they

probably didn't even think about to call you.

Right.

But they should...

Again, I don't have a policy anywhere that says we do not

pay for appliances.

You know, so I would naturally submit it because I think it's

justified.

So...

Yeah, you never submitted one for your trajectory.

This is what you submitted for.

So why that one?

So you did this.

Like it's me.

And then you did this.

Okay.

So then...

So then, okay.

It's all in one shift.

So then these right here equal this without the ice machine.

And then your 40 from that equals exactly what I paid you.

Okay.

So then I would have needed that to balance.

Okay.

So then let's talk about the ice machine then.

And then we can just decide whether or not.

But still, I don't care about the money.

It's the process.

Upstairs, no one comes to visit me and should because it is an

absolute furnace upstairs.

And I have, thank you for the new air conditioning units this

year.

They can't keep up.

It is that hot and humid up there.

We got an ice machine to help deal with the heat.

And I guess, again, it is not about the money.

I will pay for it.

But I'd like the opportunity because it is miserable up there.

When you just get to the landing on the next stage, it is unbearable.

And I would have appreciated the opportunity to present that to

you before being flat out denied.

But we're, you know, I guess nobody appreciates how hot it is up

there.

It is miserable.

I think I've said that before and I'll stop.

Anyways.

So how does an ice machine alleviate?

So we can keep cold beverages in us and keep cold water.

You know, I buy the water.

We have bottled water up there.

Do you have a fridge?

I believe I bought a fridge.

More intense you keep the cold in there?

The ice?

No, the water.

The water is stuck in the fridge.

It's cold.

But if you take it out, it gets hot.

It's hot up there.

But nonetheless, I don't want to rehash the ice machine itself.

I just wanted to ask that in the future, should any claims be denied?

Not just for my office, but if a claim gets denied for the road department

or whatever, I think it's a valid learning opportunity that we're missing is all.

We denied claims off the road department, have we not?

Have we told them?

I guess the other option, I look at it to tell me, if you're going to buy some

obscure that isn't a normal thing, then maybe you should run it through them first.

I would have bought it.

I would have bought it either way.

And so, but I would have appreciated the conversation is all.

Everything that I buy, we always run through for it.

Most anything other than paper and stuff like that.

But I mean, it's like our printers, our stuff that our records preservation pays for.

We always run everything.

So I think maybe if we're going to have policies, I don't know.

I guess maybe they need to be written down.

I don't know.

One way or another, I just think it needs to be addressed, whether it's a policy

written or a step in the process.

That's all I'm saying.

But I'm not arguing the fact that they should have just called you and said,

Tammy, we're not going to pay for this.

But if you don't do it for everybody, you can't do it for one.

So then we should, I mean, I think that if the road department is going in and

let's say they're buying, I don't know, tarp straps, and you see they've already

got 1700 tarp straps and you deny this one, but they keep buying them.

They're not going to learn if you don't tell them.

You can't be buying.

They don't learn if we disapprove and we're not.

The white filter wrenches or whatever.

Funnels.

Funnels.

Air hose, chuck ends, air fillers, wrenches.

So what happens when you deny the claim then?

Who pays for it?

They don't get it.

So example is the sheriff's department.

They wanted, I can't even remember what it was, and they tried to get the pay

and commissioners denied it so all of the dispatchers pooled together and paid for it.

Think about it, I don't remember what it was.

Putty.

Putty, wasn't it?

What it was.

T-shirts.

T-shirts.

Putty.

There you go.

But what about like when the road department was buying gloves or some kind of personal

something, something, and those were denied?

They've already got them.

They've already used them.

Then they go and have to pay pro-pro offer.

Well, one time the sheriff's department bought three guns and they returned.

Yeah.

And you had discussions with them?

After they were gone.

Yeah.

After they had bought them, we just told them, you don't need these three guns.

We told them, took back.

So did you guys tell them?

No.

The sheriff's department did.

No, but who told the sheriff's department?

Well, yeah, we did.

We said you don't need them and you return them.

I don't remember the name.

Uh-huh.

So then they took them.

But that was just like this.

They come up and why can't we have the guns?

You don't need them, take them back.

You don't need a race maker or whatever.

I do need my race maker, but.

Well, evidently he thought he needed guns too, but we didn't.

So we just need to have that discussion.

That's all.

Well then, like Christy said, why didn't you come down and explain it?

I didn't just now, but.

I guess to me it just seems like we're missing an opportunity.

That's all.

But I'll move on.

We'll talk about something more pleasant.

School budget.

Christy, I believe, do you need both the trustees and the budget?

I need the right form.

Put the right number on the right.

I don't want to shoot you.

So the trustee's financial summary is last year's actual expenses.

The budget is the predicted expenses.

Hope for so you need the budget.

Okay.

And then these are.

This year's and Chris, you remember, don't use this one.

Don't use the farm for your mill levy calculation.

But they should be the same.

Well, they should be.

But, you know, human error in this one.

All right.

So the middle levy is for school be schools for next year.

They do very well with their budget at the school.

And they, even though the mill levy value went down by, you know, at 300 and some box.

They actually were able to keep their overall budget.

Mill levy is very similar to last year, which means they're asking for less this year than they did last year.

As far as what went up.

On for us for the transportation and retirement.

The retirement was high this year, mostly because they had, I think, so many people retiring last year.

And there's a weird.

The that this is the one Christie that they're putting into.

That was transportation in the levies that we aren't expecting.

They're like that $100,000 one that affects the process as well.

But that's what they're going to ask us to bill for transportation is 26.49 and 38.99 for retirement transportation.

They're maxing out their depreciation so that a lot of the problem is they don't have the bus drivers and the route figured out for pure list.

They might need to buy new buses for that.

They're still working on that.

And they've got just some old buses that they need to replace.

So page two, this is the one I used for the mill levies then.

No, the FP nine.

Yeah, that one that all three of us.

And then I do have copies of last year's financial summary in my office.

If anybody's interested in that.

Does anybody have any questions on this?

Yep, I am actually well the trustees report and I said that to Ross on Friday.

So here is actually what we published in the paper for their expenses.

This is what they did last year.

And just I guess I don't know if there's anything stellar in there.

There's nothing really, you know, they've got their budget and the rules that they have to follow by are amazingly difficult.

And I just think they did so well.

Rathole and everything they can when they can.

So.

Are they ever going to be able to get rid of Fox Hill referrals?

You know, actually, yeah, I have them down as they're halfway this paid off this year.

So they are looking forward to getting rid of that.

And that's actually all rolled into when they did their new heating system, they rolled it all into that.

So it's more than just black film.

Right.

They'll just switch it all to be Daniels, right?

Well, yeah, but hopefully it'll just be done in the end.

But, you know, things break and we might need them again.

So this is the last year of their hundred thousand dollar permissive levy.

So they get that.

And I don't know if they're going to do that again or not.

Legislature.

No, no, no, no, no.

This is the mill levy that they asked for.

That was a total of I think it was four five hundred thousand dollars to redo their building.

You know, like the bathrooms and the flooring and the doors and the locks and the security system.

This is the last year about hundred thousand dollars.

Well, we haven't gotten anything from the state.

They didn't get anything last year.

But there is whispers of redoing the entitlement calculation formula.

So if that all goes up, right, it actually kind of be fun to send me popcorn.

Well, they are pretty close.

So they redo that town.

Do you think it's going to be to our benefit or?

Well, I think we'll bow more in there.

I think, you know, we're going to talk about it.

It's already to our detriment.

We're losing money on it.

Beaverhead County makes money on it.

So I know that I will have my screaming voice on.

You know, and I'll be talking to all those people that have no idea about Daniels County getting the shorter.

When we went to Helena, it was amazing.

The legislators up there that had no idea about Daniels County.

And then two years later when I was there, people were still saying, well, what happens?

How does this affect people like Daniels County?

So it's out there.

We just need to make sure it stays out there.

Hopefully they do something different because.

This is the state land thing.

Yeah.

Well, it's that big bill thing that they replaced the bill.

And then when the entitlement bill, they took all the state land bills away and changed it to this entitlement program.

You know, they take all the funds that we used to keep here.

And then they give it back according to population and whatever.

And although we never really got our true value in working as something.

It was on the increase and I've got that where it was, you know, it was getting and I'm sure that's what it was.

All this is costing us way too much to help out Daniels County.

You know, we had to do something different.

And that's what happened.

I remember that.

You remember?

I remember that.

So that's the school budget.

Hopefully.

So Julie's already set to the FP10.

So hopefully they're working on it.

That means we'll get those millenies soon rather than later.

And I was hoping by having this meeting, we would just kind of hope, you know, just help out all.

I mean, I guess you could use those to kind of, but not actually.

Well, and it's no different, I guess, than the city of Scobey and the town of Foxville.

When they don't get into me in time, they just don't go on my millenies.

And I can do the same.

Just leave them off.

The only one I have to do are the county ones.

The other ones are just nice to have.

Yeah.

And that.

And we are ahead of the game this year.

So hopefully, I mean, this meeting's a September meeting.

So it's just nice to have it out of the way.

Yeah.

So hopefully, we see it soon.

All right.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I'm glad you should be glad you have it.

In fact, you should buy your lunch and flowers and chocolate.

You took your domain.

You took your domain.

Fire flowers and things.

Good enough.

I'm going to ride that pony for at least six months, right?

Yeah.

Temporary stop.

Okay.

We're recording again.

Resolution.

Let's see.

Yeah.

I did say you were in here.

I didn't push the button, did I?

That was the issue.

I didn't push the button.

Good grief.

I need help, people.

Resolution 2024-14.

Is there a motion to so approve?

I'll make a motion to approve.

This is the resolution for it.

Yeah.

The motion made in seconded to approve this resolution almost in favor.

Aye.

No opposition.

Signing the paper.

So the resolution is approved.

Yeah, I don't know it offhand.

Okay.

5.75 per annum.

Plus up to an additional 1.5 per annum as necessary to pay program expenses.

Wait a minute.

The adjusted variable rate shall not exceed 9.15.

This gets paid off in August of 2039.

Motion for this.

Is that Logan's letter?

No.

This is to proceed with the intercap loan.

We did the resolution first.

And now we need to sign the paper for the intercap loan.

Motion made in seconded to go ahead with the Board of Investments intercap loan.

All those in favor please say aye.

Aye.

Any opposition?

None.

It's been signed.

And then Christy here's something where you've got to draw down where they asked for draw amount requested.

Seriously?

Okay.

Yeah.

So they told me how much they were sending.

$100,000.

I thought it was $100,000.

Yeah, $519,000, $60,000.

Okay.

And you saw me sign that.

Yep.

So you've got a test to it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Have we concluded that part of the agenda?

What was Belsen helped the worst in?

Belsen helped the worst in the middle of that.

Oh.

You guys looked out of my den.

We talked in court.

Yeah, we asked for a question about that.

$9,400.

Is that the bleachers?

Yep.

Oh, I guess.

Yeah.

Okay.

Thank you.

Sorry about that.

Temporary recess.

It's 11 o'clock.

The Markison is.

We are reviewing the application for cleaning position.

Okay.

So you know Rex Morgan's wife, Tierra?

Yeah.

That's her brother.

Speaking of Rex, he should be at a lot of horsemen at happening right now.

Yeah.

I think he is.

He's at this weekend.

We got two.

And he was let go from hospital for no reason?

No reason.

Right.

I think maybe a phone call to Fran might be necessary to just check the reference on

some of these.

Yeah.

Probably.

We heard that.

A lot of times we don't check references.

For genitorial position.

Yeah.

It's always good to check references.

Yeah.

We do background checks.

See you guys.

Thank you, bro.

Thank you.

You guys recorded recordings or considering something?

They're looking at jobs right now.

No, I don't need to interrupt you guys.

Well, we want to do some background or some reference calling first.

We can take these under advisement and do some more research on it.

So, therefore, I don't.

Any recommendation?

We will temporarily, temporarily recess.

It's 11.20 and we are recording again.

And then at 11.15, we agenda was appoint a planning board member.

We're taking care of the other problem then.

The worker?

No.

We're under taking it under advisement until we call some references, right?

Because I don't know either of them.

The planning board member, I had a little paint note.

Some are disappeared.

She had five names.

You remember that one meeting that Mary was in?

And she gave us different names for people on the planning board.

Well, I called her the other day and asked her if she had a specific one.

And she said Logan Hansen is who she, the board, was wanting to go with first.

I don't know the member where.

I can't find the sticky note.

It was here Friday.

Well, there were four other names.

But I asked her to narrow it down to the one and she said Logan Hansen.

So I'll throw that out at you.

Would he accept?

She said apparently these names.

When she was at her meeting, she said those names are people who said yes.

That they would do it.

One was Eric, I remember.

One, I think, was Matt's.

Matt's already on it.

I can't remember who the other three were at all.

But that's the one that was the one that she did recognize.

Well, then that's maybe what we should be recommending.

Okay, I'll send him the letter.

I'll do the letter for Logan.

Motion or necessary?

Yeah.

So moved.

Second?

Anybody know what second is?

Second.

Second.

Second.

Second.

Well, the reason I wanted Eric.

Well, now you couldn't be willing to vote for Eric in the first place.

Well, there you are, see?

But that's why I didn't want him to get involved.

Oh, well, I don't think it was a big thing.

I think these were the questions.

I had some goddamn excuse.

I didn't want it.

Yeah.

Motion made and seconded then to ask Logan Hansen if he would accept an appointment

to the planning board.

All those in favor?

Yay.

Okay.

Okay.

Any opposition?

I don't like the idea that you're saying aye.

There's other things to say too.

Aye.

But that one, that sector resolution of Logan, you said all in favor say aye.

I don't like that.

You're not supposed to say yes.

See, there you go.

It's proper to say aye or nay.

There you go.

Aye or nay.

But aye is.

You say all in favor?

I'm not for wrong.

Yeah.

Well, he's throwing some names like that at us.

Temporary.

It was only two.

And you are.

It is 1130 right on the nose and Neil Holden, real fire chief is in the presence.

Okay.

So I did get a call back on that fire truck.

We have 23 feet of room.

It was 22 feet long.

I'm afraid with six inches the way we got a wiggle in there isn't going to work.

So I did stop up and talk to Mike.

What we're kind of thinking is if we can stay, keep on it, we'll find a, like one of them

international four wheel drive trucks that we can, hopefully we can get at the right length,

but Randy and Jim Anderson can shorten them if they need to.

And then we'll build it the way we would need it.

To replace that.

That ship.

Truck.

Yeah.

That way we're replacing a truck with a truck.

You know, we can have more, more water on it.

They are a little more heavy duty, so they'll stand up to it a little better.

They maybe are a little more expensive to fix if something does go wrong with them,

but I think they'll stand up better.

So you're just looking for a truck and then you're going to just fix it up.

Yeah.

We'll put a bed on it with a tank, a pump, hose reel, and then be able to set it up with

that walkway behind the cab.

So.

Because we still have, we're right at 30, a little over 30,000 in that account, right?

For the...

Your contribution.

Yeah.

So there is 30,000 there towards the fire truck.

But you and I were talking, 40 should buy a pretty nice one in that ballpark.

Yeah.

Another tent to equip it.

Equip it, I would say so.

And I think as a department, if we got everything together and set a weekend, we could put it together.

I mean, I really don't think it would be that bad.

The only thing is, is finding one the right length.

I mean, there might be a little bit for having Randy and Jim short night if we have to.

But I could, there's, there's a little bit of time I can do some re, you know, searching

and see if I can come up with the right truck.

And that's just a regular cab?

Regular cab.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

A crew cab won't fit in our...

Do you say truck, or you say semi-truck, or you say pickup truck?

No, it's heavier than a pickup truck, but it's...

Single by experiment truck.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

I did, I have found a few that I haven't got to call and, and look at links, but...

Let's see here.

It's a 2009 International Workstar 7400.

I think that one he had to call for pricing.

But I don't know why it's four-wheel drive.

It has 12,000 miles on it.

That's, that's crazy.

Well, it could be crazy good, or it could be crazy bad.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Exactly.

But I have found a few that, that I'll do some calling and see what I can get for links.

So it would be approximately the same length as the semi-truck, or there's where you would...

Yes.

It could be a little bit longer than that one, but...

Because of the way he stands.

Yep.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

Because if you even put a 10-foot bed on it, the truck itself isn't going to be more than

another 10-foot bed most.

Right.

So...

Yep.

Yep.

And we'd probably have a 10-foot area, an 8-foot bed with the 2-foot walkway in the front.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

That's how it would work out.

So, if that sounds like a good idea, I will keep after that and go from there, I think.

How come you're looking so grumpy?

Right?

Fishery.

I've seen that.

Yeah.

It's concerned.

Concerned.

Don't you think it would be maybe worth a phone call just to see what they want for it and

ask about the wheelbase?

Yeah.

I get the crew cap part of it.

I understand that, but there's something that...

Boom.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It says low miles, great condition.

It don't hurt to call and ask.

Yeah.

At least you get some kind of judgment of what people think things are worth.

Yep.

Yep.

I'd sure like to see you get a call just to see what it's like.

Yep.

And I can.

Yes, I will.

Okay.

So, we're going to address Neil's budget.

So, I got a hold of Kurtz, figured out how to split the road from the fire when I do

the calculations for the mail levies.

Remember, they were always on one and then we split it out according to expenditures.

Okay.

So, what I do, what he told me to do is take what tax base he got last year, put it for

our top number, go through and it comes out and it calculates at 8.95 mils.

Okay.

For the fire.

Yep.

So, then I did the same for the road.

And the road calculated out at 40...

Okay, I lost the mirror over there.

Right.

Right.

For reading.

Yeah.

Right?

That wasn't good.

For reading.

Yes, I like that.

Okay.

There's came out with 40.94 mils.

Okay.

Now, last year when we had them divided up, the road got 37.29 and the fire had 8.59.

Of course, you got to remember the mills change every year.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, the road, the fire went from 8.59 to 8.95 is all changed.

But the road actually acquired almost three more by splitting it out like this.

And if you take it times the value, what's the dollars?

Oh, is that on your email or the text message you sent here?

Okay.

So, the fire taxable would be $47,637.

$47,637?

Yeah.

And last year there was 48.48 because they're not worth much.

So, it's roughly the same as what you got last year, a little difference.

But at least it's split and they know where they're standing the whole time.

Yeah.

Where before, when we kept them together.

It gets thrown in the air.

Yeah.

And what we did before as them sharing one is if the fire needed more money that year,

we gave them more money and therefore they got more mills that year and the fire or

the road would get less or vice versa.

So, when they share one, there's that option of splitting it differently.

Split and then one going differently.

We can reallocate those if we have them, can't we?

Not between.

And disaster, I just kept all under the road.

That's another reason why the road has a little bit more because that's where the disaster usually goes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, we usually don't do that.

Anyway, so that's what happens when we split them.

So, what happens to the road?

The road went up a little bit.

The road money went to $217,907.

And last year, of course you got to remember last year we had disaster.

Right.

Last year, between the two, between road and disaster, we had $221 something.

$221.

Well, that's a difference of $4,000.

Yeah.

So, I mean, it all depends on how you think.

And you want to keep it.

You lose $1,000 and road loses $4,000.

But if it is split up and we get to where we think we need more, it can be put on a ballot and voted on it.

Right?

Just like we did for the Sheriff's Office?

Yes.

Yep.

That can happen.

I mean, I see good and bad to both of them.

I mean, I do both ways.

I get where it's nice to be able to take from them if we have to.

Well, and you're not really taking from them.

We're just allocating the mills differently.

Right.

Right.

Instead of giving you only eight like that, one year you guys gave me extra $10,000.

Yeah.

Because the road didn't need it, so that made your mill let me go up higher.

Yeah.

But it does take from them.

I mean, in the end, in the end result, it does take mills from them.

But they actually, like this year...

If they wouldn't have used it, they would have had the $10,000 going in next year.

Right.

Right.

And...

Right.

You were hoping that it would be a little more beneficial than how it works out?

I really don't care.

I just want to set a number because then at the end of the year, if we don't use it,

that set number can be put towards a savings, towards a truck.

Where if we...

The other way when we did it, it just...

It never seemed like we could...

Well, you go back to zero and they would get...

If they needed it on the other side.

Right.

It's still the dollars or it's still the dollars, I guess.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I didn't think to ask Kurt and it could be maybe a possibility because he told me

to take what we gave you guys last year and use it as the starting number.

I don't know if I can change that to say, okay, you guys are going to be like, okay,

we're going to start you out with 60 grand and go from there.

I don't know if I can do that.

He just...

When he was trying to explain to me how to do this, he said take what we had last year

and put that as your beginning number.

So maybe...

And maybe we can switch it again a year or two from now and decide, okay,

this isn't working out, right?

And just go back and your two together and start that back to where you enrolled our split anymore.

Yeah.

So anyway, that's where we came.

Yeah.

To me, I feel that we do need to be split.

Okay.

Just so every year, you know, we're getting 8.9 mils or whatever it is, you know.

Right.

And it'll change because they always change.

Right, right.

Also, Queens were talking budgets with you.

Have you heard anything on the title for money?

Have not.

What's to be expected this year?

Have not.

Okay.

Have not.

I'm almost afraid they're going to just keep slowly pushing that back

and it's actually going to go away.

I'm kind of scared of myself.

Who's the gal again?

Who do we talk to again?

Maybe I can reach out to her.

She seems to like to ask for me.

Yeah.

Not Shannon.

Annika?

I think it's who it is.

There's about three or four.

Right.

I will see who set me up for the information on the other one.

Okay.

Because we kind of need to get figured out exactly what your non-taxable revenues are

to be so that you actually have.

I went with the 15 when we gave you the figures to use.

Okay.

Where does that come from?

Title forward?

The NRC?

Yeah.

The state.

And it used to come out of Louis Town.

Pyra was kind of the...

He's still kind of the head of it.

Head of it?

He's the head of several departments now, though, because they're short-handed.

Yeah.

So it just seems like every year it gets later and later they push that back.

It used to be like May we would get that and you'd get a letter, wouldn't you?

I think they'd have to do it so we could do budgets.

Yeah.

That would be nice.

Anyway, I've discovered in the last few years it's better to overestimate our revenues

than to underestimate because if I say, okay, we're only going to get high, we end up with

15 and we've got to do these stupid resolutions doing something with the other 10.

Right.

Right.

If I overestimate, I don't have to do that.

Just read just the figures.

Yeah.

So anyway, that's where we stand with him.

So we'll leave it separate then.

I mean, that's the way I feel.

How do you guys feel?

I don't...

It works for me.

No?

Okay.

I didn't quite hear it.

I'm going to feel being the odd man out now.

Don't bother being the odd man.

So here's the thing.

Last year, the original budget was $84,799.

There was $25,306 left over at the end of the year.

So actually being...

So in other words, you quit buying?

That's what that tells us?

No, I didn't quit buying.

I didn't.

I didn't.

And we actually got short of $10,000 from the state because I worded it wrong on the

paper that was sent to them for the amount.

For the Title IV amount?

For the Title IV amount.

Yeah.

I said they were Nomex shirts and they said they were Nomex coats when they came so they

don't pay for it because we didn't ask for that.

And when I put them on, it feels like a shirt.

So do you want me to just go over this and fill it out then and sign it and send it in

or do you guys want to go over it?

Well, you don't send it in, you just bring it in.

Yeah, bring it to you.

Yeah, that's my man.

Now, is that amount, has that $30,000 in it, right?

Your $30,000 is in your other fund, your $23.71.

Your $23.70 doesn't have the $30,000 in it.

Okay.

Or your $23.40 in it.

$23.40, okay.

And your $23.41 is your contributions.

That's the difference.

You should have two different budgets in there.

That one?

So that one I have to change, right?

So that, oh, my pencil is going crazy.

So yeah, because you got more revenue than we thought so you couldn't, you don't have

to change, you have to change that to your $30,000.

To the $30,000?

Yeah.

Okay.

Oh, pencil.

See, we're done on that.

Apparently I was having like a little tick or something on there.

Okay.

All right.

So, okay.

I guess I'm still a little confused, but.

About.

If we're getting 8.9 mils.

That goes into your normal fire budget.

Okay.

Your $23.40, so that's the $47,000.

Plus whatever caps you had, which was only, what did I say in that text?

Did we put it in the text manager?

No.

It was.

Here.

You looking for four wheel drive trucks?

No.

Mini excavator, whatever.

Excavator.

There you go.

Mini.

Yeah.

Well, I would ask that guy.

You know what?

Because they make a, they make a, like a 30 something, a 42, and then they make a 50.

So I'll have to kind of go by what piece.

There's quite a difference between them.

But I.

Those are model numbers.

Yeah.

And it's a, yeah.

And it's about 10 grand a jump.

So you don't want to spend any more than that.

Yeah.

You can even get done.

Get that in the case.

Text paid auctions is doing the Montana, state of Montana surplus.

Okay.

Okay.

Look for some fire trucks there.

Yep.

Or trucks or little excavators or.

Mary, I can get you something to get started on your dirt project.

Yeah.

So your cash on hand is this.

Yeah.

This is your estimated revenue.

This counts at 15,000 to get it.

This is what your meals will generate.

And that's what you will come out.

And remember you have to save some for the side.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Rebuild down below.

I think that's everything I have.

That's always enough.

I think I'll keep my eyes on trucks.

And we'll go from there.

I'm sure you know how to go get it.

Yep.

Well, that you don't need children.

I have one.

Yeah.

Yep.

So, yep.

No, we could, we could get it.

Okay.

Well, I will keep after it.

I'll get this done this afternoon and back to you.

Okay.

We'll go from there.

Sounds good.

Alrighty.

Thank you.

You bet.

Thank you.

Bye.

See ya.

A journey for lunch.

Yeah.

It is 1.30 a.m.

Yeah.

Yeah.

P.M.

Sorry.

And we have an opening agenda and we've discussed taking road trip to go look at

some slabs that we're trying to figure out some bars of budget money.

And we think there's maybe a slab that we could look at.

So we will recess until we come back for full adjournment.

440 public comments on non-agenda items.

3 commissioners and John Lagrand are present.

Go ahead, John.

Okay.

I guess first I have a question.

Does the cemetery board need to make audio recordings?

Did that get set?

I don't believe so.

I think commissioners are the only ones, health board has to make them.

Other than that, I don't think they do.

Yeah.

Christie?

RDS don't need you.

Don't marry me.

You don't have to.

I can't see the cemetery board.

Yeah.

I've heard different opinions over the last week.

I had to get that one.

Okay.

John has a question.

Okay.

Does the cemetery board need to make audio recordings?

You know, I have no idea.

When we read it, God, I thought we had slogans about that.

We didn't think so.

Or I sent it.

I sent the law out to Tom.

Uh-huh.

And I thought the only one that needed to was us and the Department of Health, public health.

But then somebody had another email here the other day mentioned something about their

fighter district.

I don't know.

I honestly don't know.

Did you guys discuss that at a meeting a week or a month ago?

Yeah, I think it came up in the last meeting there and there were different views on it.

And this morning I talked to a person and he was thinking it needed to be done.

So.

But he did have mixed opinions about how wise it was to do that.

I forget what his reasons were, but...

I mean, I guess in reality it's up to you guys.

I would think it'd be up to you guys to do it if you wanted to do it.

Yeah, I don't think Tom wanted to.

Well, it is.

It's another job for some of it.

Right.

Yeah, it has...

I mean, how do you redact the recording, you know?

If you have somebody taking good minutes though, it's usually everything that's on point is recorded, you know?

Yeah, we do have a problem with minutes from last time because I made two motions and the first one didn't make it in there.

I mean, it was a paraphrase in somebody else's language and I think if it's a formal motion that it has to be word for word recorded.

Usually your chairman will make it formal, you know?

Yeah, I did.

The preliminary one was forwarded by Tom to me and I put some comments on that.

One of them being that that first motion didn't get in there.

I mean, it was a paraphrase, but that's all.

Second motion.

The following board shall record their public meetings.

Sure.

I would think if you're dealing with public dollars, you have to.

But they aren't necessarily dealing with public dollars, are they?

For the boards listed in section 1 through F, they maintain a lot of...

They're as a result of public...

Big dollars, yeah.

Yeah, we do have, like, fit and size of the board.

The following board must meet their requirements in this section.

And in the one board that's in there...

Audio format only, which is what we have.

The governing board of a county.

The governing board of a county.

The population of less than 4,500.

And the governing board of a third class city and school districts.

It doesn't say anything about the other ones, other than...

And then the board of health has to do video and reporting.

Less liability reasons, sir.

I would say that they don't have to.

It doesn't always say that.

It doesn't say they have to or they don't have to.

It doesn't mean you can't.

The board of health, other than public employees retirement, teachers retirement...

Yeah, Tom pointed out one of the pluses.

You don't have this memory problem of who said what.

And you don't put everything in the minutes.

If it's pointed, I mean people are...

You're supposed to.

We're still on the same page.

You get it.

Okay, thanks.

Our secretary takes minutes.

I can't even...

She has everything spelled with me.

I don't know what we have to do.

So I've got two things here.

One of them is kind of follow up on what the other cemeteries do with regard to the shooting.

I think I called four of them and I did get at least one call back to me.

I think that was Smile City.

And they don't have a go for problem, but they have another animal down there that's causing problems.

Glasgow, I don't think there was a contact number or there was.

I didn't call them because on their website, that comes out as one of their rules.

Smack on the first page.

No discharging weapons in the center.

That person can't miss it.

There, anyway.

I don't know what's posted.

On Plentywood, I talked to one of the commissioners and he says,

we're very adamant about no shooting out at the cemetery.

And he thought there were signs out there to that effect.

So Sunday morning, I was over there in Plainwood and I did talk to the caretaker.

I didn't see any signs there about the shooting.

There was only, it's opened on the desk.

So there may have been signs with the previous caretaker, but they were gone.

So there's a difference there between what the commissioners are asking for and what's actually being done out there.

But they do have a go for problem definitely in Plentywood.

He's poisoning them with a special poison that he can buy and apparently safe enough in the way he's using it works.

So those are the two cemeteries.

I did get a sheriff's report on the Memorial Day incident.

It's going to bring a copy for everybody to read, but I forgot him, but I do have mine and I could read it for you.

And you can make a copy if you want it.

I asked him when I got it, so you can show up to the guy down the street.

So it's not really private. They redacted the names.

So this is from the Sheriff's Office, informational reported on May 27, 24 at 1226.

The location is Scowy Cemetery.

Person involved with persons.

John W. Librand, my phone number there.

Then there's three other names or something that's redacted out.

Then the narrative begins.

On May 27, 2024, 1226, John Librand called the Daniels County Sheriff's Office about someone shooting gophers at the Scowy Cemetery.

Dispatched and informed me of what was going on.

I left at 1228 towards the cemetery and arrived at the cemetery at 1231.

Once I arrived, I spoke with redacted and he told me who the person shooting was by pointing him out to me.

I went to speak with the man who redacted, pointed out.

I introduced myself to the person's suspected of shooting gophers and told him why I was there.

I got his name as redacted.

I told redacted that people called and complained about him shooting at the cemetery.

I said, I don't think it is the wisest thing to be doing right now.

Redacted asked if he'd just talk to the cemetery boy then.

I told him I thought that would be the wisest course of action moving forward.

I then left the scene and made it back to the office at 1247.

Later in the day at 1325, John Librand came into the office to speak with me.

John told me that he was out on Memorial Day at the cemetery when redacted started shooting gophers while being in close proximity to other people.

But not shooting towards them.

Then there's half a line redacted at 1251 about what happened at the cemetery.

He mentioned that the board will have to meet to figure out how to deal with this situation.

He mentioned that people have shot gophers out at the cemetery before.

On June 13, 2024 at 1558, John Librand came in again to speak with me about the cemetery.

He mentioned that the cemetery board was talking about their rules and possibly making a rule about shooting at the cemetery.

Until a rule is made by the cemetery board or the commissioners in regards to what can and cannot happen at the cemetery,

there's nothing that our office can do about this.

The cemetery is outside of city limits.

It isn't a private enclosure.

MCA 45-5-343 firing firearms and is out in the county.

Out in the county.

In other words, not in the city limits, out in the county.

There are no video recordings, audio recordings or pictures regarding the cemetery gopher shooting.

Sine, Rex Allen, Morgan Jr., Chief Deputy, 37-3.

So I guess one of the things from this, when he's making a comment here, not regarding specifically to the cemetery thing,

until a rule is made by the cemetery board or the commissioners in regards to what can and cannot happen at the cemetery,

there's nothing that our office can do about this.

And see, that's where part of the problem comes in is you make a rule, but if it can't be enforced,

at least, you know, I'm not going to go up there with the guy that's got a rifle sticking out his truck window.

I didn't feel safe in doing that.

So that's, you know, it wasn't right, what was going on there, and so that's why I called.

And he, you know, he's punctual and came out.

At the July meeting, I did make two motions.

The first one was regarding putting a notice in the paper.

That one did not receive a second, so it failed for lack of a second.

The second motion I made was a reiteration of the one I made in June, identical to it.

And that one again was voted down.

Well, excuse me.

I think I've got that backwards.

You do.

I think that on the first motion, Trevor Manternach did do that for purpose of discussion, give a second to it.

And then it was discussed.

The second motion failed for a second.

So it was that first motion that didn't make it into the minutes intact.

I did read it to him.

I had it written down in an abbreviated form, which I handed to Marl Gray.

And she asked, I told her, you know, but I think she looked at it and handed it back and looked at it again.

And so I do have it written down in full English that I will give to him next meeting.

And I said they put that in the July minutes because it was spoken.

And, you know, I did read it to him in English.

So that's kind of where I stand on what's been happening there.

I understand the hesitancy to cause a lot of waves in the community.

But still, I think the safety of the public is the overriding factor.

And so hopefully, and I, Marl put in an addendum with her minutes that I got.

And I checked there with somebody about that and they said, no, you don't do that.

I mean, it was basically, the guy said, I'm sorry, I did this.

I mean, I think we'll not do it again.

And that's probably enough for now.

But still, we've got the problem here too.

Outsiders, they come into town, hunters.

And I've seen in the paper every few months somebody gets caught poaching and gets fined heavily for it.

Well, if they haven't got enough respect for that, then who knows what they're going to do at the cemetery?

I think the Glasgow people, you know, they just said, too bad folks, you can't do it out here.

So I'll keep calling cemeteries to find out how they handle it.

But a repeated response is, hey, that's just common sense, right?

Well, that's why we have so many rules as certain times common sense fails.

And so, you know, especially when it's a tradition or a habit, longstanding, you know, something we're going to say, yeah, it's time to not do that.

So Tom's been helpful. He did caution me to be careful that I didn't get another job like secretary.

And they are going to reorganize Wednesday.

I've never done it before, and I think Marla's generally doing a good job in this.

Trying to get things cooled down a little bit.

Does anybody want to copy this?

No, I don't need to.

Thank you for your comments and concerns, John.

Yeah, the ricocheting comes up and talking with these people, too.

The guy yesterday, you know, Sunday there, he said, yeah, the ricocheting is very dangerous.

You get a stone that's flat on the ground and can go about anywhere.

And there were some factual things in the addendum that Marla wrote up.

And maybe it's what he told her, but I disagree with at least two things that he apparently told Marla.

And so that's hearsay, and I think that's one reason it doesn't belong in the minutes.

We're very close, I'd say 150 feet.

And he might have not been in our direction depending on how we define that.

When you're in a field hunt with people side by side, there's like a 45 degree spread in that.

That's ignoring any ricocheting.

So definitely it was not a safe thing to be doing out there, and I think he realizes that now.

Anyway, hopefully the community will come to an understanding that we'd make a few changes there.

On the technicality, he was up on the grass, too.

He was off the gravel roads, and that was a big sign as you drive in.

And I went out there and with my vehicle said, can I get around this without taking the chain down?

I could. I just made a couple of turns and got right in there to where we shot today.

And people take chains down and leave them down, and we just put them back up again.

So the main reason there is they don't keep breaking the water system.

Alright, thanks. Thank you, John.

It's five o'clock. We're journeying for the day.

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