September 16th, 2024 Meeting

I'll start the meeting. Mike Thievin, Gary Linder, and Kristi Jones is here at the meeting. Mikel Lund is gone to a convention, so this is September 16th, 24.

I'll make a motion to approve the agenda. I'll second the motion. All in favor? Aye. We will wait for the claims later on, and we will go through the journals.

Meeting will resume. I need a motion to pay the claims. I'll make the motion to pay the monthly claims. I'll second it. All in favor? Aye.

I'll make a motion to approve the treasure securities. I need a motion. I'll make a motion. I'll second the motion. All in favor? Aye.

I'll resume the meeting, and we are discussing the Intercap loan. And evidently we need a signature on it.

Yep. Yep, that's how much we're getting for this last bill.

We don't need to do none. Just sign it, right? Yeah. Sign the request for $110,329.

It's for the claim that we paid the people for some of the work out there.

Okay, whatever. What is the name of the construction company? I do not know.

Up there, the ones I was doing the... Do you know Scanlon's? It's only you that needs to sign it, Gary. Oh, just me? Yeah.

Did you un-look it over? Yeah, Scanlon's. After we paid him last month and then I sent it in, and this is a reimbursement for that.

We're getting reimbursed. Yes, we're getting reimbursed. Yep. And we still got $80,000 and we can...

Approximately. Yeah, that's under the other loan. There's two different loans. One for equipment. The loan is... Yeah, the equipment.

We've already spent the $194,000 for the truck. $300,000 for the truck. And then you've got that left, yeah.

Can't borrow your pen because I want to date it, so I'm using the same pen.

So that takes here the 9.30 appointment. We will resume at 10 o'clock for the librarian to come in.

We'll resume our 10 o'clock meeting. Our lane's in to talk to us about some library problems. Not a problem.

We met at the board last Thursday and we'd like to change the library hours to be more consistent, to allow time for the children's programming.

It used to run from 3.30 to 5, giving us an hour and a half on Wednesday nights with the kids.

But then school moved to 4 o'clock, so it gave us an hour. So we're hoping to move our hours from 10 until 6.

That would allow room for there. We'd only have maybe one patron that comes in normally between 9 and 10.

And I've already asked him and he was like, if he didn't care, could you just come in later?

How does it affect you on the other end? Staying till 6.

Everybody's okay between staying till 6?

Yeah, it's just Rhonda and I and she stays till 6 on Thursdays anyway because of the cooking program that she has in Kiva Planks.

Is that just one day?

We'd like to make that Monday through Friday.

And we stay, I stay open on Thursday nights till 8. Just hoping that we'll catch those that don't get a chance to get in any other time.

And that's just a temporary thing to see how it works out.

Right now there's too much to do outside with the lights still on, so...

That'll change.

Yeah, fast.

It's going fast, yeah.

It's like on the kitchen light in the morning now before it was all sunshine when I got out.

Does we have another time change? Or is that taken care of already?

No, we've got one more coming up.

Aren't we going to stay the same?

No, thanks.

They couldn't decide which way to go, so now it's just the same.

Is that what it is? Oh, alright.

Because I thought they were going to try to stop it.

They tried to, yeah.

Well, now we know how to change our, what do you call it, smoke things or...

You're supposed to change it to batteries and stuff.

So...

I have no problem with it.

I think it's fine as long as it's already with your staff, yeah.

Yeah, it's just wrong tonight.

It's pretty easy to get along with normally.

Sure.

As long as you don't make a mess in our library, so...

The second thing is I brought this up with our board too on Thursday.

And I have an estimate from Nemond about putting security cameras in.

And the reason that we're talking about it is because of the hallway and the children during kindergarten camp.

I learned a lot about what kids do in bathrooms when they're not supervised.

But they did no harm, it's just...

Then adults go down there and we have that fire door that's between the library and the bathrooms.

We get a power outage that door closes and there's absolutely no light in there.

So we don't know and we can't hear if there's any children back there.

Even when the power comes on, it's a pretty heavy door.

It's got to be a 36-inch door through there.

So just like to have something to kind of keep an eye on what goes on in our hallway.

And then between the two buildings with our resident that doesn't come in the library that uses our internet outside, which is fine.

But the alleyway gets used for other amenities.

We were well, can't you just shut the internet off and maybe you'll find another place?

That's true.

But that's not the only reason for wanting to guard the alley in the front of the building.

It's just mostly for the safety of the children.

Okay, now security cameras is going to be a cost.

Oh, you've ever thought about trail cameras?

You know, you can get what, so you're for them for little or nothing versus the expensive...

They have an SD card in them so you can pull the card out and put it in a computer and you can see who's...

Would that alert us to the kids in the bathroom, so...

After the fact.

After the fact, yeah.

Or I guess you could pull the card out at any point in time and look, yeah.

But it'd be a lot different price.

Oh, I'm sure.

For what you want it for.

What kind of a price did they have?

That was like almost $3,000.

That's with five cameras, two in the hallway, one in the front of the building and two in the alleyway there.

They have a lot of money, though, in their donation fund.

But this way, is this one you could just watch all the time?

Like the judges upstairs if you had time to watch it all the time, yeah.

Motion activated so it only records when there's activity.

But you can't, you can't put it in the bathroom, so...

No, it's in the hallway down there so that we can see if there's kids back there messing around, cranking up our heat.

Why is your heat back there?

We have those baseboard heaters.

Oh, so it don't freeze?

You know.

They're not on a thermostat, they're just, you turn them on.

You have to go check after a certain...

Pull the knob off.

Then they ain't going to turn it off.

Yeah, there's that.

How long did you bring a fly with you?

I might have.

I hope they're out of squatter, too.

Right behind you.

Oh, we were just thinking the difference in price, you know.

I'm not going to look at anything just as long as I can tell.

But maybe, like you said...

Oh, get him.

Yeah, if you think it's a...

Oh, you missed it!

Did I get him? I think you won't. Look at that.

Way to go.

You didn't have to edit that out.

Oh, he just assaulted him.

I mean, you got the money for it, but I mean, I was just wondering if the trail cameras would...

No, I don't know.

It's something to look at, though. I hadn't considered that.

I mean, if they don't do the job that you want them, I guess so you don't need them.

But the security cameras...

But if you...

You should be able to look at those in real time, though, can't you?

I mean, if you've got a trail camera...

You have to pull the card out.

Oh, do you? Because I got out of it, I thought, on this phone.

Well, there's different versions of them, yes.

Yeah, I don't know.

And they can be blue-toothed in them, so we wouldn't have to drill cable through the walls and stuff.

Yeah, there would be nothing like that, you know.

Yeah, the only time that they're active is if somebody goes by them.

Right, actually.

And then they take, you know, two or three seconds of footage and they quit.

Just like a deer walks by, how it turns it on.

The kid walks by, then...

Okay.

Are you ready?

Well, I guess if they have the money for it and they want to spend it that way...

I wouldn't be totally on our bill.

There was a mention at the board meeting that the city might pick up part of it because...

Yeah.

By the fire department there, because it would help them to...

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, so that's true.

That's true.

For sure.

Yeah, we can't watch just our house.

Go for it the way you want, I guess.

Watch your house.

We'll leave it up to you to see what's...

Thank you.

Well, I'll leave it up to the board, but we just want to make sure and clear it with you.

But the hour thing, that was a go then, so...

Yeah, I'm concerned about this, yeah.

Now I can go to the library after work.

That's great, see?

Well, yeah, there are some benefits to that, for sure.

It's hard when we close at five and Nima and Denby's out at five and...

Well, in school goes till strong four.

Teacher's got to go longer.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

That's true.

It's not too bad in the summer when you're open on the weekend, you know, on Saturdays.

Okay.

But in the wintertime it makes it a little tough sometimes.

Sure.

But I've decided, yeah, I just go when you send me a picture of books, I hate you on that.

I've got a staff, I just have them done.

But that other incident might not just turn off the router and eliminate that problem.

I would.

Just be done with it.

Yeah, the board wasn't agreeable to just turning it off yet.

They tabled that at our board meeting.

Why aren't they your favorite?

Because other people use it too, not just him.

We have a number of hunters that come in at times and do their whatever it is.

But as you walk out the door, we don't have to offer the services to people like that.

No, I don't suppose we do.

Maybe from until six and we've kept it until six.

Right.

So, I mean, is it there no place else that people connect?

We're more concerned about this other incident.

I mean, doesn't Nemon have access up there?

If you pull into their.

I don't know.

Hotel?

A lot of hotels haven't passed or protected them.

They only give them to the people that are paid.

I mean, I guess that's what I would say.

Just shut it off and see if that eliminates that problem.

It wouldn't have to be permanent, but you could try it for three months.

Yeah.

When he learns it, it don't work.

You'll have to move on.

That's true.

We were wondering too about, I didn't put that on my message, but the parking out front.

Not so much.

He usually moves if we get busy.

But other people are using it as like a place where you park and ride share.

And they park right out front.

Is it possible to have a sign out front for patrons?

Where are they ridesharing to?

I don't know.

Rhonda talked with them the other day and ridesharing to park there.

Because, yeah, they just jump in with somebody else and leave their park there all day from the library.

Well, I don't know if you can stop that because they're public streets.

It is.

But.

Why?

Wouldn't that be a city street?

So I'd have to go to the city if I wanted to.

To like the library hours.

Yeah, I would say if that's the case that the city would have to help you determine what signs you can put up properly.

Well, the least they could do if they're going to do that is like move it up further.

I know.

Not right in front of your building.

Yeah, because there's an empty lot or two.

Yeah.

Or you get to surely.

Or what happened to me?

I'm not part great.

Put a paper.

Yeah.

I was informed not to park at a commissioners meeting.

Park in front of a business out here.

Were you?

Yeah.

Yeah.

But I wasn't.

I was parked on the county right away to the hotel in the little park area that we have.

That's where I was parked.

I wasn't parked in front of the business.

And I got a letter on them when she...

Wow.

Was it signed or was it anonymous?

It wasn't our kindest.

But it just kind of upset me.

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah.

I don't know what the statutes are, but I would think a public road or a public street,

you should be able to park there.

Probably not overnight.

Maybe.

But during...

I would think you can park there all day long if you wish.

It's not.

It's not.

Nice.

But I guess talk to the city and see what they say about it.

Yeah.

The city streets.

If our patrons are older than me.

Yes.

And that makes it more difficult for them.

It's just a kindness factor.

It's not my thing right now.

It's just that when some of our leads come in, like the ones in wheelchairs and stuff,

it would be nicer if they didn't have to.

But there again...

Yeah.

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to talk to the city probably to see what kind of signage is appropriate.

Yeah.

Okay.

I can always just put up a sign and see.

Just be kind and park somewhere else during the day.

That's a nice sign.

I'm not saying you can.

I'm just saying we want to be nice.

Would you initial that sign?

Oh, it's not my name.

How kind you are.

What's wrong with asking people to be nice?

No.

I'm trying to pick a fight.

Not with you guys anyway.

Okay.

Alrighty.

Nope.

That's all good.

Thanks for coming in.

Thank you for having me.

Sure.

Aren't you wondering how I'm here in the library?

I figured you have somebody volunteer to help you.

We'll see you later.

I'll just talk to you for one thing.

So basically, I know the sheriff is trying to get the city to come up with vagrancy statutes.

And I'm sure that's for that same issue there.

And unless you put up signs that say parking limited to 15 minutes or something like that,

I mean, I don't know.

Anyway, at the meeting two weeks ago, I asked you if you would check the camera on the back of the ambulance.

But every time we've checked, I hear it screaming out of town or going by.

Okay.

Well, that's why I saw it.

It's on my list.

Okay.

And we'll probably be able to get to it sometime this week, just for sure.

But I'll call you.

Yeah.

Honestly, there was two or three times we were going to do it.

And we're gone.

Yeah.

So we'll see.

We'll get to it.

Okay.

Hopefully probably in the mornings.

That's fine.

Probably this is best for us.

Okay.

Maybe I'll check either tomorrow or Wednesday.

That's good.

And we'll come up and take a peek at her.

Yeah.

I haven't forgot about it.

No.

Because honestly, I've seen it go out of town two or three times.

Oh, yeah.

Been a busy month so far.

Anyway, well, thank you.

Can you get a hold of me?

Yeah, I will.

I'll write it down here and call you.

Because again, last night, back in the end, it's like, oh.

I thought about that too.

Twice that I've seen the ambulance go by.

And I was like, dang it.

Is that your new one?

Yeah, the new one.

It started getting kind of funky.

Well, it's a Ford, came with the Ford.

So once we know what it is, then we can go from there.

It's just a relocation.

They just relocate that camera to a different spot.

And I'm assuming that there's either a clip that's come undone

or something got pinched.

Or the camera fell.

Period.

Or the camera fell.

Sorry.

We'll determine that.

And when I talk to Osage, he's like, well, that's their camera.

But he said, here's where the connections are.

Oh, my God.

Crawling underneath and on the frame, everything's all there.

I'm like, I'm not even going to go there.

You know.

Okay.

Thank you.

I'll be in touch.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Okay.

Well, we'll end the meeting for now.

We've got a lull in our applications that's coming in.

So we'll resume later on.

We're catching up to the 115 meeting with Dispatch.

And she's got the floor.

So we have to vet everybody and anybody because it is per the FBI.

That anyone who has access and remove anybody that just doesn't need access.

So that goes with any court personnel.

If they have access to anything down there, they need to be vetted too.

So all law enforcement channels, anything to do with law enforcement has to be encrypted immediately.

Now, I know we're in the process of trying to make this happen.

So I will get with Brian and see what their time frame is for getting my login recorder

put in and see what they can do about getting our channel.

Like, I don't know.

I don't know how we're going to work this.

You're probably not going to be able to work it until the system gets set up.

Well, my bigger concern.

My bigger concern is his, the vehicle, the Explorer, because that's the one that has been,

that one's not encrypted at all because of that radio that's in there.

And if Brian's got a radio he can get put in there faster.

We would have to.

And then get all of the handheld radios all keyed immediately.

We would have to find out from Brian if Roosevelt actually has a key logger.

A key logger that Redtel can borrow because.

As they're passing through, just borrow it for a minute.

They service.

Can't put your name down?

No, they don't have one.

They don't.

Yeah, I asked Valley County to look into it and I haven't received any information.

How to share and get by with doing what they're doing then.

So they have a place, they have somebody that they deal with that.

No, they've dropped all their encryption.

They don't run any encrypted law enforcement right now, from my understanding.

Oh, they will be.

They will be.

It's so.

Remember when we were sitting in a meeting.

Over there in Hyde Patrol said, within the next two years, the Fed has to say,

you have to be encrypted.

And we're way ahead of the game, remember?

How about our voter patrol?

They're encrypted.

Do you got one of them things?

I don't know.

Because I know that they do a lot of their servicing.

When their equipment comes up, it's, it goes away for a lot of servicing.

But we'll be one of the first ones to have it.

Yeah.

The way I understood it at that meeting.

So, to stay in compliance with what Sean was wanting to stay in compliance with.

The region, the DOJ, the feds, everybody out there.

Our law enforcement side has to be encrypted.

Which means ambulances, fire trucks, the hospital.

That's the other thing I need to talk to you about.

If R512 is encoded into their radios, it has to be removed.

Well, and if that's the case, should we get one of the machines?

I think it'd be a good idea.

Just because of the fact, if we're calling up, if one of these key fails happen.

I would have to run down to somewhere to have it rekey a radio.

Well, that's the thing I was wondering about.

15.

No, I thought it was 5,000 dollars.

That's what I was thinking too.

Is it 5 or 15?

No, I think he said like 5,000 dollars.

But if we got to encrypt everybody, we'll then know who wouldn't pay to have one.

I would absolutely think so.

And if you have problems during the use of it.

Yeah.

And these things fail, like all the time.

Our key encryptions fail.

Usually when we're out here about our handheld once,

they, when we get out to that negative 40,

and if I can put a vehicle back out in the negative 40.

They don't like that.

They don't like that.

Something.

Electronics.

You want to find it in here?

Look at the chocolate portion of it.

Like the vehicle once, I haven't had a problem with encryption dropping in the vehicle.

It's just our hand.

Was it the KBL 5,000?

Is that the encryption?

Yes.

It's 5,000, 5,000.

So we're correct.

Oh, yeah.

Because the encryption software is zero.

And then the KBL 5,000 is 5,000.

So if we got to encrypt everything,

wouldn't it be best to have our own?

Yes, it would.

And then run it out to everybody who uses it to pay for it.

Leave it right down at the sheriff's office.

And then have them go from the sheriff's office.

I'll rent the book for you.

I'll rent this to you.

Ambulance and fire care.

Sounds good.

They're not going to be able to hold an encryption key.

Well, they'll have to update themselves and some of that stuff.

Yeah.

And then which means, like some of that,

because I know that the both ambulance I think

can carry an encryption key.

But to remove, I would just remove the 512 out of the ambulance

and he wants to encrypt it one on there.

Because you don't know who you're sticking in the back.

No.

Or if they can hear how much.

It's an open passage from the cab to the bed.

And then we need to talk to the hospital about having it removed from up there too.

So everybody doesn't hear them?

It sits in the emergency room.

Yeah.

Well, there you go everybody that has emergency listens in.

I can hear it.

Well, when a net broker called on her shoulder,

you could hear the radio going on and off.

Yeah.

Sitting in there.

Yeah.

It's just a matter of pulling the law enforcement off of those radios.

We can switch over to base 2 if we need to talk to fire department

or ambulance on there just as well as they can.

So why are they on there?

Why is your law enforcement channels on the hospital?

I had no idea because they,

I've been told in the past that they had to have it on there

so that they knew what was going on so that they could be aware

of whatever situations coming in.

They do not.

They do not need to know about law enforcement situations.

Well, how do you decipher what is law enforcement?

What's the emergency?

I would say they don't need to be there.

If they need to be there, you can call on the way to town

or the ambulance call.

Notify them at the time they need it.

I don't think they need to be there.

I have no clue.

Do you?

I don't.

Well, that's what I was trying to figure out.

On one of our multiple trips.

And I radioed back to dispatch and said,

please notify ambulance that I'm going to have them hold.

That wasn't from hospital personnel that I heard that from.

That was just from previous people in my office.

We're going to hold them three quarters of a mile away

because there was a report of weapons being fired.

We're going to hold them three quarters of a mile away

because they're on safety.

I let out the mic.

Dispatch says 10-4.

I know it comes across the radio.

I said, yeah, we already copied the transmission.

So it leads me to believe that the ambulance crew

can listen to you 5-12 on there.

Well, it's not necessary, correct?

It's not necessary that we have it.

If it's not necessary, I say you alleviate that.

Yeah.

Because that just alleviates the lawsuit part of it, potentially.

Because there's stuff that we say.

Well, we'll lose.

It's not a lawsuit.

We'll lose our radios.

They won't let us.

They won't continue to have them.

If we're not abiding by the rules.

So that's where that goes.

So we have to get ahold of Brian.

We'll talk to him about the KVL-5000.

There's money for that, isn't there?

No.

Yeah.

Okay.

Now that you've put us on their radar, are they going to coverage?

Okay, so what Sean was saying.

Now are we in trouble?

I spoke to Seijin on Seijin fact.

So do I talk to Sean?

You did talk to Justice.

Okay.

On Saturday.

Go ahead with what you were going to say.

I was listening to you.

Okay.

So on Saturday I spoke to them.

And they said due to the integrity that Sean had shown by stepping forward saying what

she had done.

And then what we're doing at reporting.

Seijin's not out for a witch hunt for Daniels County.

They are extremely pleased that we stepped forward.

The ones that they are actually kind of upset with are the counties that are trying to hide

their reactions.

So with moving forward they said that they want to, with once the investigation with,

they would love to sit down and develop a plan to bring us back from being borderline

non-compliant into compliant because they're aware of the fact that we've been through

three, we're on our third tap and our third sheriff in two years, two and a half years

basically.

They're aware of that.

And they said we're surprised we even let it get this far because we didn't know that

it just didn't hit our radars soon enough.

But with us bringing it to them, it's better to ask for forgiveness than at the very end

to ask for permission to go ahead and keep our stuff in place.

But we don't want to lose anything.

No.

And I think over the past year that Sean has been involved with rebuilding the dispatch.

Segins a lot.

No more apt to go ahead and say, yes, let's work together and move this forward.

I'm getting from that.

Okay.

So.

Well, it would be really counterproductive for them to go the other way because that

would leave us in a huge.

Huge.

That puts us into a whole different thing.

Yeah.

We have an agency administrator.

I brought that to the attention about all of that.

All my, all the paperwork Segins and the DOJ has.

The Daniels County Sheriff is the agency administrator.

Which means everything has to run through.

See, that's what Skip has said from day one when he was down there.

Which.

Dispatch does not fall underneath any other purview other than if we separate it.

Yeah.

Everyone in this office has to sign a contract.

They're going to go to jail if something happens.

I'll pass.

So we got.

You can.

We got a little issue.

I have to clue what it was.

Really?

Yeah.

I had to ask them and they're like, well, no, it falls underneath the Sheriff's Office.

But it's, but it's on your shoulders right now.

So it has, when Mona came up and said, she wanted nothing to do with it.

She handed it over to you guys.

She failed to tell you that you guys also had to sign a bunch of paperwork.

You guys need to report to post.

You guys need to report to the DOJ.

You guys need to report to this.

You guys have to do a lot.

Well, then you better start reporting.

No, it's you.

It's you.

I said you.

No, it's you.

I'm already doing a lot of reporting.

Well, don't get us involved.

But historically what your job falls under has changed depending on who the Sheriff is.

Correct.

Because Skip absolutely insisted that dispatch was under him because of siege and blah, blah, blah.

It is.

So he was correct.

He was correct.

Dwayne came in and all that and Stephen and all that changed so that basically they could hire Dwayne's children to her child to be a dispatcher.

The agency administrator can be appointed to an under sheriff within the Sheriff's office or bigger agencies, captains, lieutenants, stuff like that.

That person's on the hook.

I don't have an under sheriff.

So.

Well, ultimately the Sheriff is on the hook.

It doesn't matter.

Like the Sheriff is ultimately the head of the whole thing.

But the under sheriff can oversee the dispatch.

The under sheriff.

An under sheriff can.

An under sheriff can be totally in charge of it because he ultimately is in charge of the deputies and handles that and handles every other aspect out.

There and he oversees the under sheriff.

Well, another sheriff has to be in day to day.

You don't necessarily have to be that day to day.

So you need somebody there day to day.

Correct.

Correct.

So.

Right now as it stands when I was also over at post and talking with them and taking care of all the paperwork and everything.

It's all still under the sheriff.

Everything.

Nothing's been changed.

So we've all been running under the sheriff.

And yeah, and then we still, then we have this problem.

You're not getting no help for a new individual, are you?

Well, we gotta wait for somebody to come back from post.

Yeah, but will he, will that be qualification enough?

Will that be qualification enough?

He came back from post.

I was under sheriff.

Yeah, but all right, but I'm just saying.

I came back from post.

I was under sheriff.

All right.

Six months later, six months later, I was in a room.

But now, will the new individual be ready?

Well, what I've discussed with his instructors in post and from the review I've gotten back, he is doing excellent.

He has stepped up.

He's involved in a lot of it.

He calls me almost every weekend and asks me some of the weirdest questions.

And I'm like, oh, I haven't thought about that since Academy.

But yeah, you were right.

So there is, there's a, there's, in my mind, there's a lot of hope for that one to be able to fulfill those shoes and step into it as opposed to other ones that, you know, I don't, I'm not 100% sure about.

I've got an application in the works that's being investigated, but I haven't quite been ready to pull a trigger on that one.

Well, can I always demo that?

How do you guys must have fun at night?

Just discussing your jobs.

No, I don't.

I try to leave that at work.

I try to.

Well, I haven't seen your motorhome go nowhere fast.

It's not going to go anywhere fast.

Well, you can demo me.

Make somebody else attack.

But, so yeah, there's that.

So you're going to start applying for more people?

Yes, I'm going to have to.

I definitely need a fill in.

So I got one more thing with all this security measures and everything that we're taking and making sure that everything is very much protected.

I'm going to have to spend a little bit of money on because we have to have, I've got to have locked out.

I have to have screen, those screen covers, even four people on the dispatch.

Oh, you can't see.

You can't see if somebody's standing behind you.

They can't see what's on the screen.

I have to have multi factor logins.

We have to have key card, the smart cards for the doors.

We can't just have the pins anymore.

Those can't, we have like, you know, the key code pins.

We have to have smart cards.

We have to have, we have to have a lot.

What's so much difference between a card readable deal versus a pin?

A cryptographic signature.

It has, it's a card, so it's a smart card.

No, wait a second.

Maybe I'm going to miss what I wrote.

It's a smart card for the computer or we could have a smart card for a computer or the UB keys is what we would work out to the computer.

Computer.

So that's what we need to have.

But the cards on the doors also,

Because if I, let's say, let's say,

The pins, this is the pin, the pins on the doors.

It's better to have the cards because the pins they can,

There's zeros.

If you're smart enough, you can figure it out.

Some places go with a four digit pin, which means 40,000 numbers.

But I don't know who's going to sit there and punch in 40,000 different numbers.

But if Sean was to terminate somebody or else to terminate somebody,

It's a matter of deactivate the card and you lose a four hour card.

Is that on one door or both of your doors?

I wish we didn't have the paper.

That's like the hotel I take it.

Yes.

It's just the two doors.

The two doors in the lobby?

The two front doors in the lobby.

And then as far as the locks that are there, those two door handles that are there,

I can reutilize those.

I have two other doors I can store them on.

Is this what they're asking for?

Yes.

That's like a duo on there?

Yes.

Yeah.

We use it only for our election program.

Yeah.

We have a lot of stuff that I go into that they will call us and give us

whatever that we typed into the computer in order to continue on.

But this is the only one that we use for the election.

Yeah.

They recommend all of our county computers have these?

It's like, I've seen some computers that are chipped.

If I could bank card type things,

I want to go with chips on there and you just push your finger on there.

That's a biometric chip.

Oh yeah.

But I'm pretty sure that like these duo hands like that.

I got a question about the Santana that we're looking into.

Whatever is that about?

Are you talking about for EMS?

Yes.

Or are you talking about the one behind us?

The one that Billion's going to give us.

Have you heard about that tower that we were going to?

Yes.

I was going to give them a call.

I got pictures.

I had propane, the line mapped out for the propane.

And all of our electrical lines, they're all in the front of the building.

So they wouldn't even be in the way anyways.

And then NEMOT stuff is on the side of the building.

So it would be good to go back there.

I think, I believe so.

We just have to call.

I need to call.

Yeah, just do a call.

You don't have to or you should.

I was leaving for, so I need to call them to...

Ryan was supposed to call us today with more details and stuff, but I haven't.

I was supposed to give him the information, but it was Friday.

Well, he was going to call them with the money amounts he was paying for what and what it would cost and all that today.

He's probably upset.

He's going to be upset with me because I didn't get him the information before I left.

Or a storage container that sits directly behind our building that belongs to the hospital.

As far as I know, that thing is empty.

If the damn thing is empty, the hospital can come pick it up and remove it.

The storage container is ours.

No, not a big, gray one.

There's the whole thing you got back there.

Is it like a storage shed?

Yeah, it's a storage shed.

So it's not a sealed, no secan.

No, they could come and pick it up with a bobcat and take it in.

The reason it was there was so during COVID, if they needed to hurry up and do something at the ambulance barn, all their equipment was right there.

Let's go ahead and stick all the COVID testing and everything like that out in the hot sun.

Door access card.

So that would be the perfect place for this.

Yes, door access card.

We have to have the cards for the doors.

And regardless, if it's not going to pick it up anyway.

There's so much I don't remember.

We could use that one of the payloaders.

Pick it up and haul it away.

At least take it down to the county shop till they decide to come.

Yeah, or whatever it is.

That's it.

The county shop doesn't break anyway.

What?

I'm pretty sure that they...

Take it out to their little new spot which is set in the field out of the hospital.

But even if it is EMSs and they do truly need it down there, all they have to do is move it.

To the other end of the building.

Yeah, four guys and un-stake it and put it down and stake their back in.

I would say move it just to the other end of the building.

I like her idea.

You know?

Bought out to the new...

The new...

Started with a new hub.

Started the planter in the field.

Yeah.

Sitter down.

Braking ground.

Braking ground.

Have a shovel out there.

Put mash on the side of it.

Right.

Oh, he's humor.

The hot...

The flight zone is just right up there.

I like that idea.

Mobile...

Oh, 4077 is the record.

Yep.

I know who we are.

I haven't shut it off and you don't want me to.

Yeah, I know why.

Yeah, you can.

We're done talking business.

Right out of the right.

That is, I think, all I really have for everything.

There's quite a bit, but that's definitely, I think, the most important.

But I know my dispatch is 100% going to...

And followed all the...

100% follow the DOJ's rules.

Is it something you can print out and have there so that it's available to everybody that's working there?

Well, everybody's going to be retrained.

But I mean, can you put it on the wall?

Oh, yes.

And still then, while you have this, look at it.

It's...

Yeah, so I've already printed out a ton of information for all the dispatchers.

I'm going to meet with them this week.

They're going to know what they're going to all be trained in, because all my dispatchers, except for Cody, are new.

They're newer.

And so they're going to know what to do.

We're going to get started.

I mean, they've been trained as well as they could have.

They've had their stage in training.

They've had trained all of them, except, well, now it's just...

Greg and Cody have been trained through the post.

So I got two to send if the other one is going to stay with us.

I got Susan going to post in October.

So that was the other thing that I needed to mention.

She's ready to go, all signed up and ready to go.

That's Helena?

Yes.

So we'll be running then for a few weeks there.

But...

Fire, get a new one.

Yeah.

So we got...

Seeing Blake, doesn't it?

Her going, but they're all good.

There's a lot of policy changes too that none of us knew about.

They changed a ton of policies.

They're updating policies.

They're rolling out new stuff.

So there's a lot of retraining, not retraining, but new training that's happening that we're getting ready to partake in.

So I also asked Darcy Humphries if she would be willing to come up and train us when she had a moment,

which is Matic, which gives us a lot of great tools for any crane investigations and things that dispatch and their side can take part in.

And she was like, yeah, I'll come up.

And then all the other people, the presenters that were there, they gave out all their information.

They're willing to come up and train too.

So I'm going to start having, little by little, have one of them come up and start training us.

Do you think you're going to get any pushback from the hospital in these places that don't want to be on that?

I will be happy to give them the DOJ's phone number.

That they want to be on it?

No, do you think you're going to get a pushback from people that think they need to be on it?

I'll be happy to give them the DOJ's phone number.

That's all I can do.

If they want the FBI's phone number, they can call down.

Just as long as you have an answer for them, because you know there's going to be at least one that I can think of this time.

So how do you take it off the sum?

It's already on like that.

So if they're not willing to take that off of there, their whole radio can come out.

That's what they said to us.

And then they have nothing.

And they probably shouldn't be without a radio in case you...

Unless they've got a trauma coming then, they need to hear.

But you can let them know that in your standpoint.

There's redundancy systems that the hospital has put in place for the trauma team.

That law enforcement, EMS and FIRE can initiate down there.

So you've got a trauma...

And it puts their trauma team on standby.

Yeah.

And I have...

The information that we sent back and forth.

It's right here.

I'll just hand them this.

It's called compliance.

You're going to come back.

So would they...

We get told all the time in law enforcement that they can't give us the information because it's a HIPAA violation and they're not in compliance.

Well, that's what...

You want to give me that standard plan to answer?

Here's what you're going to learn.

We're not in compliance and it's a federal violation, not just federal.

Yeah.

So...

Yeah.

That's all there is to it.

You know, I want to work with them.

I want them to work with us plain and simple because that's how a community works together.

That's how we are able to help the community when we all work together.

And I don't want to break their HIPAA violation just as much as I don't want them to break what we have to be in compliance with.

So I want them to have their radio and be able to listen for traumas as much as I need to be able to listen and keep my office safe.

And that's how this works.

We work together.

Sounds good.

So...

That's pretty much it.

We'll keep you posted.

At this time, two o'clock, meetings over once, we'll join at three o'clock.

I have sent a share of the demo device.

And then we're working on getting him some demo tablets, is the next thing he's asking.

They're just verified coverage up there.

So it'll be interesting to see what his feedback is.

We don't have amazing coverage in Daniels County.

However, with our Starlink relationship going live this year, that should kind of change things dramatically.

So have any of you had any experience with T-Mobile, friends, family, peers that might have it?

No, I haven't.

No, we're fairly isolated where our local carrier is basically our cell service here.

Do you know how many towers they have in the county?

Oh, God, I guess probably 30 towers in the county.

They have a lot. The coverage is real good here.

That's what you need, right?

Without coverage, all of our cool stuff doesn't really work.

So at first off, let me kind of show you what I'm looking at as a coverage map.

I do have insights to AT&T and Verizon's network, how our local carrier, they don't share that information with me.

So I'll kind of trust in you guys where they kind of do well and where it maybe is just kind of a dead spot.

So within Daniels, I have one tower right outside of Scobee.

That's Raps.

Basically providing my coverage here.

I do have two towers down south that's providing some bleed over,

but I don't have anything in the next 18 months to improve this western coverage and this eastern coverage.

The big thing for us and where you may see an advantage with us is have you all heard about our relationship with Starling?

Yes.

No.

Perfect.

So T-Mobile has an exclusive agreement with Starling to cover the United States.

So what happened was starting to January, they started sending up their Gen 2 rockets.

Those Gen 2 satellites actually have our cellular spectrum hanging from them.

So what we're doing is we're turning their satellites essentially into floating cell towers.

So I'm anticipating by about November of this year that first step to that relationship will go live.

That first step is going to be including text messaging.

So any T-Mobile smartphone, as long as you can see the sky, will be able to send and receive text messages just like normal.

There won't be any additional hardware you need.

There won't be additional settings.

It's just automatically looking at that Starling network as a roaming partner.

The big one for us is going to come next year.

Next year, voice and data is going to go live off that network.

So that's going to impact not only your smartphones, but it's going to impact your tablets, laptops, hotspots.

Anything with a T-Mobile SIM is automatically going to roam off that network.

So the initial throughput they're getting from it is about 17 megs.

So it's not a complete replacement for our ground coverage, but 17 megs is enough to hold a FaceTime call.

It's enough to send email attachments.

It's enough to peruse Facebook.

So it should be a pretty big game changer for us on the telecommunications side, especially for Montana.

Because Idaho and Montana, because of our terrain, are going to put a million towers in our area and we still have dead spots.

So any questions on that relationship at all, guys?

No.

So I'm excited to get the feedback from the sheriff to see kind of how we rack up against your local provider.

For that area in Daniels, let me see how that tower utilization is looking.

On that tower, I have 10% utilization.

So that would make sense why you don't have any friends, family with us, because we only have 10% of our load running through that tower.

So it's not a whole lot of people pulling from it.

The one good thing to be aware of with our network is we utilize a spectrum called a 600 meghertz spectrum.

That spectrum is one of the lowest spectrums available.

So Verizon doesn't have it, AT&T doesn't have it.

And what it means when you go lower on that spectrum, the signal goes out further, propagates farther from the tower.

So we're able to get connectivity miles away from that tower, whereas other providers tend to fall off.

So that's kind of one of the big advantages for us.

The other big one for us is T-Mobile is leveraged heavy on the 5G side.

We've purchased up almost all of the 5G spectrum that's come to auction.

So I placed Chief over in rural Idaho, it's Jerome, Idaho, a couple weeks back.

They were getting 1.2 gigabytes of throughput sitting in their office.

So it does a couple of good things for you.

A, you don't have to worry about congestion because our highway is so large we can just handle gobs and gobs of traffic.

The other big thing for us is that we're getting a lot of success with fixed wireless.

So if you have any buildings that maybe their fiber connection just isn't giving you those robust speeds,

not really fast enough, you're paying an arm and a leg,

I can do a fixed wireless solution for those spots and range about 30 bucks a month.

So that one depends a lot about the location of my tower,

but we do have external antennas and routers that seem to work well.

So the other big thing with us, I'll mention this briefly,

but for all of our government accounts we have always on priority and preemption.

So all public works, all share, all fire always have the highest priority on our network and we also give them preemption.

So if something does happen where people pull out their phones and start streaming,

your devices have the highest form of priority and then we will actually remove non-priority users from that tower to give the throughput that you need.

There's nothing you have to do to engage that.

It's all done on the back end, it's all automated, but it's just kind of a nice safety net for you

knowing you always can give that throughput you need.

Questions on any of those?

No.

Pretty easy breezy run.

So the nuts and the bolts of what I do always comes down to price and how much we charge.

So these are my smartphone options.

These are basically for the public works side.

I'll highlight my most popular ones so I don't bore you guys with the options,

but this rate plan runs about 30 bucks a month.

All of my rate plans are completely unlimited so we don't do like cool build, cool data for you.

This one gives you unlimited talk text and data in Canada and in Mexico.

Gives you 51 gigabytes of hotspot functionality.

So if you're ever out in the field and you need to connect your laptop, you can do that through your smartphone.

This one gives you a free iPhone SE 5G and then a free Samsung S24.

Kind of either one of those and we do include some pixels in there as well.

So as commissioners, do you guys have any input or do you meet with your fire districts at all?

Not with the cellular end of it, do we?

Did I know?

They're kind of all on their own?

Yeah, they're in use cellular devices as far as I know.

Don't they each have their own phone?

Well, Neil has one phone, but everything else, yeah.

Not everybody has a phone.

I'll let you guys know about this.

So this is a good value add or I have a lot of traction with this fire department.

In fact, I'll be up to Harlem next month to present all the fire districts there.

T-Mobile actually has a $0 smartphone rate plan for first responders.

So this applies to PD, Fire, EMS, Sheriff, they all get it.

But I'm assuming that a lot of your fire districts has a large population of volunteers that come in form as well.

A lot of my fire districts are doing this.

So we came out with a $0 smartphone rate plan for first responders.

It gives them unlimited talk texts and data, one gigabyte of hotspot per month.

And it does give them roaming in Canada and Mexico.

This one is a true $0 biller.

So even that 911 fee, see, pop up on all your smartphone rate plans.

We actually credit that back and we cover that.

This is a five-year agreement.

So we give first responders, once they activate this, they'll get free service for five years.

At the end of five years, you can either cancel your service or move to a paid line.

But this one's kind of a cool one we did.

We didn't do it out of kindness of our hearts, to be honest.

We merged with Sprint about four years ago.

When we merged with Sprint, the feds actually required us to come up with a couple of giving back programs.

So we built that $0 smartphone rate plan for first responders.

And then we have a free student hotspot program for K through 12 kiddos as well.

So I kind of hand out a lot of those, a substantial amount.

But that $0 one is a nice one, especially for volunteer fire districts.

It's a good value add for the departments to be able to offer their volunteers.

The last thing I'll kind of give you guys a heads up on.

So if you have any remote buildings where maybe your internet connectivity is really slow,

and you're just paying an arm and a leg for,

my face wireless will run you about 30 bucks a month.

And that does include a free router on that one.

And I've had a lot of success with that as well.

So gentlemen, that's the whole dog and pony show.

I'll be interested to see the feedback and hear the feedback that Sheriff has with our smartphone.

Kind of give an apples to apples comparison of your current provider.

But I'll tend to tell you guys the same thing.

If there is any interest in any of the departments on how our coverage looks,

please let me know.

I have a whole demo warehouse where you can send you smartphone, tablets, hotspots,

and it gives you 30 days to try them out.

At the end of the 30 days, you just slap on the return label and ship it back to me.

I don't have to stand up and account for you.

You don't see any billing for it. It's all pretty automated.

It's so easy to go.

So that is kind of it.

Any questions, any questions on coverage, specific areas I can pull up for you?

Well, coverage is going to be the biggest issue I would say right now.

Absolutely.

You know, until you get your Starlink systems rolling.

Yep.

But...

Is there any way you can send that stuff that you were showing us in an email?

Because we could hardly see it.

Of course. I'll send you screenshots of everything we cover, including our sitemap,

and then as well as the rate plans we offer as well.

Sounds good.

Awesome. Well, thank you guys for taking the time.

I'll shoot that email here out probably within the next 30 minutes.

You should see it.

If any questions arise, you do want to demo services, just reach out.

I'm more than happy to help wherever we can.

Sounds good.

Well, thanks all. It was a pleasure to meet you and we'll chat soon.

Alright, thanks again.

Thank you.

Bye guys.

Well, I'm kind of here.

I had actually two items.

Just a minute, Mary.

I'm going to let the world know.

We are now at our four o'clock meeting.

Mary Nahus is talking about our floodplain.

Well, I got a letter that actually was directed to me from the city.

And it says, Daniels County Floodplain Administrator.

And I'm actually the Mitigation Officer, but there you go.

Same people.

You should know that by now, Mary.

You can give you whatever job you don't know.

But you don't know what to do.

Anyway, the city bought some land so that they can improve their sewage system.

A sprinkler system so they can have a full round sprinkler system to get rid of the water.

John from Lees, correct.

John from Lees, down there?

Yeah, right. Down in there.

But they bought some land so that their wastewater system can get improved.

And so they can have a big sprinkler system going round and round and round.

Anyway, apparently, Great West Engineering is in charge of developing this.

And I've heard about it.

I mean, it isn't a secret for me.

I've actually heard about it.

And apparently, and again, I'm saying apparently that this system needs to be evaluated

by the floodplain administrator and signed off on the proposed improvements

before they go ahead with it.

And they sent me a map.

That doesn't show me anything.

We hunt down there, gophers or something like that.

And I have seen water all around there, but never where the sprinkler system is.

Is there ever water there?

But there's water around the outer limits of it.

Yeah, I think.

And it follows the creek, of course.

And it follows the creek down.

And yeah, but they want to get it.

I mean, I can understand.

I heard about it.

And I can understand.

Steve Barath told me about it.

And I can understand why they need to improve it and so on and so forth.

But anyway, and I do know, and I didn't bring it with me.

I do know that it's not even on that map.

And I did call the guy, the engineer in charge, and he was gone last week.

And I left him an email to send me more information.

And I got nothing back today.

And there's a piece here, apparently one that's supposed to sign,

the Montana Department of Commerce has reviewed this wastewater system.

And it isn't even, I mean, that isn't even right.

So I don't know.

I do know from Sask Power.

I got to make sure I get that right.

Sask Power and their dam across the border has a map of the floodplain.

And if the dam broke, it would get very close to the wastewater system.

But it wouldn't flood it.

I mean, it's just very close.

So there's an, I don't, you know, the existing lagoons it's supposed to miss.

So, but it would get on.

So by you signing this document.

Yeah.

What position does it put you in?

Well, and you see that I don't know.

I mean, it's all of us.

And I didn't get any information.

I was hoping for some information, but I didn't get anything.

And I don't know.

I mean, you can't, I mean, the city needs, needs to improve their system.

If there's water all over the place, I, the city actually needs to improve it.

Because you don't know what's going on.

As far as what I've seen in the last 10 years of going out there all the time.

It's never, never a problem there.

Because the water falls, the, the prickiness tributaries down, you know.

I would say there, there's a lot more water gets banked up at the bridge south of town.

Then it does here.

Then never does there because it can go until it.

There's nothing restricted.

There's nothing to stop that river from right there, but it does down the road.

Yeah, it makes some sharp bends.

See when you get down that way.

Sure.

Yeah.

So anyway, I just, you know, but I suppose we got 30 days, but I mean, according to this letter,

somebody's got to sign it.

And I don't, you know.

But would that be our concern or the city?

Well, it's addressed to the Daniels County flood plain.

This year, actually, it's probably not our concern.

But so what would they do if we said we were not a flood plain administrator?

Then who signs it?

I don't know.

You know, I, you know, but if I talk to this guy and I feel comfortable about, is it okay

if I do sign it?

I have no problem.

You know, I mean, that's my question.

Oh.

I mean, the question.

You're not going to know until you talk to him what.

Yeah.

And I haven't, and I'll try calling today.

I just don't want you to have to have a special meeting if there's a flood.

Well, well, the flood plain keeps coming up and up and up and up.

And I did actually take a course on the required course for the flood plain administrator before

I even knew I was a mitigation officer.

Just showed up and I took it just to find out what's going on.

And I can't, there are maps available to, to get and I, you know, is maybe someday I'll

get some, but I, I have the ones from Sask Power.

I'm fine.

Well, if there were water, wouldn't it be?

Yeah.

I mean, if the, you know, I mean, if the, the biggest threat for us is if the dam breaks

and they improved it about five years ago.

So the possibility of it breaking is pretty minimal because they did do, because they

did do a lot to, to do improvements on it because I got a tour.

So I know that.

The other thing I've got just as a side note, the chrome will has Matt diesel spill.

It apparently is an ongoing thing.

I just got a copy of a letter from DEQ and they're monitoring the, they're going to

have to install some monitoring wells to, to make sure the ground water isn't contaminated.

And, and I don't know if they've quite decided what the magnitude of it is.

And so this is an ongoing thing.

And the next update will be February 28th.

I know they've got monitoring equipment down there because I was talking to Shane and he

was showing it to me.

Yeah.

So they have dug some holes down there.

And he said they were pumping it off or whatever.

The, the extra liquid that would accumulate.

Yeah.

And it's down to almost nothing now.

So.

Well, and I do know because when I, when it first happened, I did it, the drainage system

ends up right behind the fairgrounds and goes across golf course road and right next to

the saddle club.

And when it first happened, you could smell diesel.

Oh my gosh.

Just terrible.

And they had some collectors, you know, to, to absorbers.

So you need it?

To kill the frogs and the salamanders.

And they probably killed a lot of stuff, but the smell has gone away in the meantime.

You mean it drained that far down?

Oh yeah.

It drained that far down.

Yeah.

But see what, I guess what they're not really necessarily telling me is that whole area,

you remember when they dug that dirt up from the elevator or by the elevator?

Yeah.

Those underground tanks that they had for selling gas and stuff had been leaking for how many

years.

Plus that was a depot down there for Westland oil to make products, you know, they would

get oil trucked in and it was, there was lines under this, the tracks or street and everything.

And it was, I think it still probably has a lot of stuff there.

I'm sure there's a lot.

So what happens is when the fresh stuff meets the old stuff, it accumulates it and gets

it all generated again.

But you're right, it was smelly and it's not smelly now.

And it's not smelly anymore, so I go and do the smell test.

What I discovered in this adventure is that when the wind's blowing and the tall grass

is going, I get horribly dizzy.

It turns out it's my medication.

There's a grass fire down that way.

Well, so far it's just in the gully.

It's in the drain.

It's in the drain.

So it never, it never, and you know, thank goodness for the drought because it never,

we haven't had a flood.

Right.

There hasn't been enough water in the city to flood that, so yeah.

And it, and the worst of the smell is about 200 feet.

I mean, about 200 feet past the golf course road, the smell starts to disappear.

And you can't see any traces of it.

And I got this from just somebody else observing it because I couldn't go there.

Well Mary, down the road, well that all has to be dug up for getting the contaminated

dirt out of there or what?

I don't, I think that no-

They said not.

That's where Shane said not.

Yeah.

They're just worried about oil getting into the water.

At this point.

They're worried about water contamination.

They don't worry about anything else according to this letter, but I just got a copy of it.

So anyway, that's all I've got unless you guys got something.

No.

So what water are they worried about being contaminated?

Groundwater.

Groundwater.

I mean, you never, even though we now get dry prairie water.

That doesn't mean.

But how deep is the water around here?

It depends.

It can be 20, 30 feet and it can be deeper depending on where you are.

Oh.

I was going to say, if it was up here by the hospital, there's a river.

It's got a shovel.

Yeah.

Big down the shovel.

Well actually, there is a river that runs down.

And your downtown business is a lot of times you can hear it when you're in the basement.

You can hear the water running.

Really?

Yeah.

And the hotel used to have an artesian well in the basement.

I remember that.

Yeah.

Ask Dave Billios.

He's got five submersible pumps in his basement.

Yeah.

And I was going to say, I used to live with 10 Margaret Woodson in their basement.

Oh, there you go.

It's right now.

And it's in the same place and they started flooding my apartment.

So I called them and told them about it.

And I was working nice and they dug a hole.

I mean, you can see the water running.

It's a river.

Yeah.

There's a river.

Yeah, it's a spring.

It's a river spring.

It's a spring.

Yeah.

The river is a spring.

Where does it come out at?

It goes all the way up.

And once it hits the top, it just keeps going down until it gets down here somewhere.

Well, it's really weird.

I don't know what it is.

It's by the school somewhere because I think isn't that part of the problem they have

with the street right there is the water.

It's from the hospital.

Donna and Chetty's.

Well, isn't it all down here to our shop?

Pretty much.

Yeah.

Right.

But when, I don't know what it is.

But at Paul's, you know, it's all a little weird.

Oh, sure.

On 1st Avenue when you're walking, I'll come to a manhole and you can hear water.

Taz always stops and listens and you can hear water running all the time.

Yeah.

And I called Paul once and I said, is this normal to hear water running like that?

I mean, it's just like a tap is turned on.

He's like, oh, yeah.

So I don't know what it is that's running under there.

Another spot that it goes away from is over on A Street, the first gravel alley or the

alley right behind the bowling alley to the east.

The water comes all the way from way up on top of where Anderson's are.

It goes all the way through there big time.

Well, is that the reason they're concerned about that West Selbergs lot out there?

That it's kind of a flood plain out that way?

Where's Carmlock was?

Yeah.

Yeah, they couldn't.

Yeah.

Someone wanted to build something there and they couldn't.

Right.

Because of the water.

Yeah.

Ground water.

Water table or something.

Yeah, it's just that we're a collection point before it heads down to the poplar.

And apparently there's some underground water.

I mean, it's not.

No, there's springs basically all over the county.

I guess you call it.

Yeah.

I mean, it just depends.

No.

I would want one.

My grandparents, or my great-grandparents out at the Michael Ranch had running water

in their house in the 1920s.

And the water went from spring through their house.

And my great-grandfather plumbed it into the barns.

So all the barns had running water all the year round.

And that water is still running.

Wow.

That's crazy.

It's still running out there.

Felt's house that they tore down to put beckers.

Yeah.

That big, huge old Felt's house.

They had a huge cistern in the basement.

Yeah.

And I think there's a cistern next to Richardson's house, the old Mrs. Day house.

Oh, sure.

I think there's a cistern or something in that also.

Which isn't very far from that other.

But if I remember right, Mrs. Day was still alive.

I was in that house.

So school is sitting on a gold mine.

Yep.

They brought the river to them.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

And then out at the farm, there's plenty of water.

We've got well water right close to the house, but you go a half mile away and there's nothing.

Can't, you can't get a, you can't drill a well.

I mean, there's just nothing.

I remember 200 feet deep.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's amazing how their water is like that.

Because like I said, out at the Michael Place, that water is still running to this day.

It runs all year round.

It never, ever stops.

And they haven't dug up that, that bed for many, many, many years.

So, kind of crazy.

So anyway, so yeah, I think this is going to be a long term project.

It's going to go on for, and I didn't think, I didn't think it would be going on that long personally.

Well, as long as our chairman knows what's going on.

So, yeah, and DEQ is involved.

And apparently there's some money available that Cromwell can get to for monitoring and stuff.

So, DEQ is, can be kind of ornery, but on the other hand, they can be very friendly also.

I think they're pretty forthcoming, and that helps to set up.

Yeah, and Cromwells haven't hit a thing, you know.

So, yeah, I, so there is, there is money there.

C, Shane said it's still going to cost him half a million dollars or more just to put new tanks and stuff in.

Ouch, does the insurance pay for any of that or no?

No?

He's totally out.

Yeah, that's why, that's why there's some money available through DEQ.

You think they'll be replaced?

He said they were going to.

Oh really?

He's not going to put as many in, but by the time he read, he redes it to their specs.

And redes the, where the tanks have to sit and the spill zone and this and that.

Yeah, he said it's between a half a million and three-quarter of a million dollars.

Well, I can believe that.

Yeah, I mean, it doesn't go very far, I get it.

But I said, I just, I said, I hate to be the poor guy that has to buy candy bars for the next 20 years.

Yeah, right.

He said that's what I'm counting on.

How about the coffee shop?

So that's why he was against the dollar store coming in.

Yeah, he wants, he needs the business.

He may have to expand his, I just was down there and bought something for him.

I'm joking about it.

Well, Mary explained the floodplain, so she'll be leaving us submitting with hers all over.

Yeah, 15 minutes.

It is 10 to five.

Mike and I are sitting here, nothing to do, so we're going to call her today.