In 30, the agenda item approved payroll. I'd entertain motions for any of those
items on the 930. Oh, sorry.
Motion to approve the payroll. I'll make a motion to approve payroll.
Motion to approve payroll as presented. All those in favor? Aye.
Any opposition? None. We vote on the journal vouchers, right? We approve them.
I just say board approves journal vouchers. Yeah, okay. And then the officer reports you just look at them.
Yeah, and was there no correspondence? I haven't seen anything in front of me.
Other than this and then that, one that you guys are going to talk about from my Murphy?
Yeah. Well, that'll be in that agenda item, so. Yeah, so yeah, so that's about it.
Okay. Temporarily recess until our 10 o'clock agenda item. All right, it is 10 o'clock and
road supervisor Michael Bergeron is present. Yeah, first bit, I guess, the hiring of Colton.
I was wondering if we're in a place we can move forward.
We still have to do the pre-employment one. Yeah.
That should take any time to line up, I wouldn't think.
Refresh me on this individual again. He's young. 22. He will be 22 here, I believe, in September.
He's from the other side of the state. I don't have any information with me on hand.
He's staying in town and I'd love to stick him in a mower for two months.
Yeah, it should be able to handle it. Yeah, I think so. Him and Allen would be the crew mowing, so.
Do you think we're going to have to have a water truck following?
I'll play by ear. Yeah, we have one of our sprayers rigged up for fire suppression, so
if it's necessary we'll accommodate. I don't think it'll run too much interference with
other projects, so just shut the blade down over there and whichever given district.
See, we have Neil. Yeah, we do. Tomorrow at 10. He's kind of stumbled across a situation where
we could get another vehicle, probably free. Well, they had some troubles with their command
vehicle on the last fire. Yeah, I see it's about several photos. Yeah. So he said, well, if
you don't have a use for this half done, I think it's a super cab. Maybe it's a crew
pickup that we can probably just get our hands on. I said, if the fire department doesn't use it,
I said, I'm pretty sure the road crew could probably use it, thinking it was spray or pickup.
It might be too good for that. I don't know, but it's got air conditioning that works.
Yeah, half done. It wouldn't be head duty, but it would carry a sprayer.
Oh, we're kind of well off as far as our rigs right now. Our main service vehicles out there.
I think Todd's is the one that's sitting up there mileage-wise. We're starting to get
little problems with it as a blade, but it's been electrical. We've had them down a little point
to the Fox board. It's been dealt with. It's vehicles driving a heck of a lot better now,
but I think generally as we're sitting all right. In the folders, I handed out the regular
information on the blades where they've been. On the other side, the diagram is,
I believe we need an oil cooler for one of our, that new mower we bought, the 4105.
The oil's getting hot. It's driving the mower kind of poorly. That and we're melting out our
sight glass in the back of that thing. So we ended up with a leak on it.
Once we're getting like the nineties or whatnot mowing, she heats up pretty good.
And pretty sure we're going to have to go the routes of getting the cooler put on there just
to keep everything manageable. Talking to mowers, it's middle of the day when it gets heat,
the heat really rolling afternoon, it starts mowing poorly as well. So I think we're just
going to have to do the cooler on there to try and manage that. Unfortunately, it's going to be a
nice little bump there. Five grand. You're starting on the west side this year? Yeah, we're going to
start peerless, move away to the east. I don't think we've ever, since I've been working here,
we've always started east, move our way to the west. So we'll switch it up this year and
push it through.
Yeah, there's some spots as Kosha are dank resistant, but having our spray program will be
updating what we're going to be putting out for us chemical wise next year. And we should
everything be clear. Kosha, we were spraying cornstain this year, it wasn't quite knocking
down that Kosha, we'll be adding some 240 probably along that line, kind of take care
of everything on the road, at least that's planned. I was under the idea that we could only spray
glyphosate, it's on our road surfaces, that's what Craig had always gone by. And it turns out that
came from Sheridan County, the old road supervisor over there, he was caught up on it for some reason
that we could only spray glyphosate. So Craig went on that same boat. I talked to the
spray gal in Glasgow, Dan and the young. And no, she said there's no such thing we can spray
whatever is necessary to cure weed problems. So yeah. Not every road, but there's a couple out
there that the Kosha is pretty, pretty heavy. Well, it comes back so easy. You spray that stuff
in town. What's that? Whatever kills the Kosha. We don't spray anything restricted, so it's,
you can. No, but like me, what can I spray in town for mine? You can be able to spray the same mix
that we've got. I don't know of the availability of it for that, but. And then the other slip in
there was a quote for transmission replacement from a double D. The little gold pickup, I usually
use it for running parts or short little trips to check things out. And one of those days when
we were about 100 degrees, the transmission started slipping on me bad and took it in there.
Right now it drives fine and cool, but it's kind of like, I don't mind driving around town. I won't
take it on trips out of town. Just, I don't want to end up stuck somewhere. But they're recommending
time for new transmission in that vehicle. I think that was actually the last month I had that
written up for. I just kind of forgot to bring it in with me. And as far as having it done right away,
like I said, I've been using it as a parts pickup or running up here and such. It drives fine,
but I do know once that, if I'm making longer trips and the fluid warms up, it does start
acting a little funky. So I could probably hold off into that till later in the winter, spring
time, whatnot, see where we're sitting. If slip it in right at the end of the budget anyways.
But the mower tractor, I definitely think we should go off getting that taken care of because
if it starts warming up in again, we have two months of mowing ahead of us. So yeah.
It'll just be the proper fix.
That's for the one of them newer John Deere tractors.
Yeah, that's for the newer one. We just picked up the 4105.
The 6420, we just did a bunch of work to the air con in that we placed blower motors. I got it all
cleaned up and it's still running good. We got a leak in there though. We have to go chase them
and still that they will be a prank chef, prank car. There's a seal on the engine that's leaking.
It's going to end up being a rebuild anyways. So kind of put it off last year, but might have to
get her checked in here this year for that.
Not much food in them? Yeah.
For transmission, for paint? I didn't know they will not much evidently it ain't gallons.
No, of course.
It's probably 15 quarts though, I suppose, like that 12 or 15.
Oh, it's very easy to do.
They blow all that out so you can go through the lines and through the fluid.
I would say that you're going to have to get the cooler probably. I mean either that or you get
more capacity and more capacity doesn't cool it so much. Yeah, so the 6420 I think we're sitting
about another, I'm not sure the numbers, but we're almost double capacity on that.
You've never really had a problem with the heating issue. So this new motor takes a different spot
and there's a lot of run around to it and just the fix we're able to throw on there.
I think this is going to last us to do the trick for it. Get it done now and should
go for the life of the mower anyways.
I didn't know if this would come with a temp gauge or do you have a trending temp gauge?
So this hydraulic system is completely separate from the tractor.
There is a temp, no there isn't, there's a pressure gauge on there so we don't have a temp on there.
You know how they take it back, the sight glass has one.
The last one, I don't know, somehow we ended up installing it upside down.
We've been through three of them so far. The plastic bubbles out and there's our next leak.
Just had a crack on that tank, we ended up fixing, welded it up, seems to be holding pretty well.
Well it's got to be pretty warm if you're mounting piece of plastic sight glass.
Yeah, yeah. The first one gets 250 degrees at least. That's high.
You know, the first one that, I don't know, the toxic got super cloudy.
You couldn't even tell how much oil was in there except for where it was leaking behind it.
Oh yeah, I don't know about that one. I got to do that on that loader tractor,
or else everyone's well, can't see it anymore.
What about thinking about the pickup, you guys?
Did we hold off her?
What do you mean on that, the transmission on the pickup?
It's still going to be, I mean, even if we jump, like,
it's going to be a few weeks before they got it in there.
Honestly, with our other trucks, everything's going good. I mean, it wouldn't be a thing to
push that off till springtime. Just get it taken care of there. That way if we have some big
thing come up in the middle of winter, which we could, yeah. That's just something I'm making
y'all worth. Whatever you recommend and do us, you know, if you think you can hold on for a while,
I don't have an issue with it. It's doing fine. Give me the courthouse and back.
Make them a day when you need to go further than that.
Well, yeah, it's a little cheaper on the gas than running the big rings, but
been over to Wilson a few times. You're trying to get parked straight out.
I'm glad I fixed my air conditioning.
Yeah, that's a $4,000 bill. Didn't we buy a damn pickup for $6,000?
$6,500, yeah.
To pick up sound. I mean, if we get by without it for right now.
Yeah, I'm the one that drives it. So, yeah, I'll be able to keep tabs on it pretty close.
If it ends up being more of an issue, I'll bring it up again in the future, but
yeah, I just came across this morning, so I figured I'd push it out and so you guys are aware.
And then I haven't been able to get a hold of the guy, but a Mitch, I guess he has something to do
with the construction going on over Vlaxville. He left a message or something about us doing a road
over there. I don't know if he contacted anybody else, but I tried to get in the hold of him this
morning and I haven't made a call back. To do the streets? I don't know if it's a street. He's
in the message you left, you just said road. I don't know what that's entailing, but I kind of
thought we were, I don't know, Vlaxville is their own thing, isn't it? I imagine they're
they're in a process of laying the roads in Vlaxville right now, and I'm wondering if that
now, North Road, Vlaxville, on the north side down upper, it's a county road up to
all the roads, the both west? Yeah, the one that's north of Vlaxville, right on the edge,
that road. See, that's a county road. Okay, that one would be the one that goes north of the
fertilizer plant, you're saying? No, it goes out to Curtis Cromwells. Yeah. But that road? Yeah.
About a mile and a half, somewhere around here, to the highway. I mean that'd be the only road
that I could think of there. Yeah, I tell you no. I called back and no answer. I might take a drive
over there, see if that road is what's torn up, and yeah, I guess that's unless it's streets,
but if he's just saying road, that's the road I would guess. What are they doing over there? No,
pipeline, you know, they're going to get up. Okay. Now they're, now they're laying the roads,
and they're going to grapple. To the lagoon, or? That is just, that is part of the road, yeah. Okay.
Yeah, it's just to the north side of town, right past the county road. So, yeah, no,
I just had a random message left on the machine in the office, and I don't know if they'd contact
anybody over here, but nope, I'll just go make a couple more calls.
Okay. Is there any more on that solid waste road?
No, they haven't finished with the loading dock yet, and it should be here next week. I'm able to,
well, from the plans we've set in, should be next week. I'm able to start scraping that,
and then scraper's ready to go. I talked to Mike at the landfill, see if they could pull those
fence posts along there, along the border, and should be all right to move forward with that.
It's going to have been nice if somebody would have cut that out there.
You got rid of some of that. Oh, yeah. I don't know, the equipment they've been using to do that
work has trampled everything down pretty good, but once that belly scraper gets going, it doesn't
really slow down too bad. Well, I was just thinking, somebody mentioned it at one of our meetings
here last night. It'd been nice if they could have got a limited load of that grass.
Shorted up pretty easily. Did they find someone to bring the ground? That I don't know yet.
I remember. Yeah, that was on the agenda to talk about, but our road crew, not a road crew,
solid waste crew didn't show up, not even one.
They're not there. We don't know really what the hell's going on out there.
Well, Tom's a lot of the loss when he started with the action, so that he had a couple of people
that were going to get reports for growls. Right, right. Canning. I think canning is still a 12-50er.
And then Danny was ill, right? Yeah. And we hadn't heard from Danny.
And as far as when it comes time to spread it, the center district blade is going to be the one
I'm shutting down to pull off to that. He's had plenty of time out there at Blade. He's been
making pretty good tracks out there for hours-wise. So at least to the paperwork, he's ahead. So I'll
pull that machine in and maybe do the spreading once that's settled. Well, hopefully get settled
anyways. I don't think we quite have the oomph down there quite yet to take care of all that
much material. Um, is there any- you looked at that gravel up there at the-
Larson pit? Yeah, Larson pit. Can any of that be used, do you think? The stuff Richard Carrier
asked me to go out there and take a look at it. And that pile along the highway, it looks like it
rejects from when they crush the other stuff. It's really sandy. I don't- it's not going to pack
very well. I just think the long run, as far as that being, uh, road base over there, it's not
going to be the best of stuff to use. It just- it's never going to set up. Um, the crush stuff
that we have over there we used to make, uh, we were using to make asphalt, that might work pretty
decent in there, just for that, uh, base layer. Here are some for us to build up from. It's nice
fractured material and still got some binder in there. So it wouldn't be too bad, but I don't
think we want to make a whole road out of it. No, I- we were just thinking of kind of like a
waist or something. Sure, sure. And it's very well good. I mean, I still have seven rolls of
geocloth if you really wanted to get fancy with it and, uh, give us a good separating layer down
there. How much- how deep- refresh me, how deep were you supposed to go down with the scraper
debris fill? He had his numbers at eight inches. Oh. That's what he's been kind of been telling me.
Eight inches is going to be, I don't know, when the fill- if we're going to dig down eight inches,
when we come in to start hauling material, that's going to be quite a bit. I mean, uh,
I'd rather have to sit down, run some numbers, but there's going to be a lot of truck traffic in
there bringing that material back in. What did we do with that 80 inches of dirt? Uh, he's got it
in the plans for me to stockpile it right next to the existing road, going down to dump- dump,
and they're going to use that material to cover the existing dump- dump ground.
There's some rows of dirt alongside that road now. Where did that come from? Uh, stuff they dug
up from their- where they're excavated to put the- the pit. Yeah. The- they had a side dump.
They're just shoveling it right over. I don't know. I'll have to go over there and flatten it out.
I'll just build up from that area and, yeah, have a good old stockpile sitting overburden.
Do you ever get the truck yet? Nobody go get it? No.
Well, we can't cover the landfill till the truck's here, right? In the container.
Oh, goodness.
Oh, I had some point to ask about, uh, driver to get that truck and, um,
that Mike I was talking to, I was like, well, what- why do you need a class A, you know? It turns
out, doesn't meet the weight requirements, so they got class Bs. He's- they're able to go get it.
And, yeah, as far as, uh, you're talking about the truck for the new dumps or something, right?
The truck. Yeah. Apparently, it's not, uh, the weight rating on it. The class Bs should be able
to go over, pick it up and drive it back from at least chatting with them.
You can buy your permits for that, can't you? At the scale?
I'm not positive. I paid my 25 bucks for the interstate, so, you know, I was only like 20
bucks or something. I got my CDL, so I've never had a deal with them. I think it'd be easier.
No big, uh, bounds anyways. Um, got the mowers over to Peerless this morning and,
yeah, gonna take advantage of this cool weather and run it. Um, hopefully this, uh, parts where
this will show up reasonably timed and we'll just probably do it in the field.
There's only one length of hose we'll have to buy,
because, uh, that goes on the return side from the pump or the motor, excuse me. So,
shouldn't be too bad of installation. I think it'll only a day.
I'll make a motion to-
I'll second it.
Motion made and seconded to, um, buy a cooler for the mower for the road department. All those
in favor, please say aye. Aye. No opposition. Go for it. Get it coming. Awesome. Yeah.
Uh, and as far as higher net guy, go for it, I'd say. Fantastic. Yep. I thought,
I thought it was already done, but you need a motion for that. I'll so move
to higher Colton. Colton, Colton Nelson.
Ending the pre-employment. Correct.
Okay. Is there a second? Also.
All those in favor of the hiring of the applicant, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposition?
Do you want to keep your energy? Yeah. You want yours? No, I got my energy.
Just re-using the folders.
We're lifeline people re-use. Re-establish. Thank you. I couldn't get matching colors.
Sounds good.
Well, fantastic. Other than that, everything's smooth as silk. So far so good.
As far as the FEMA stuff, I still need to get some pay stubs. I forgot about that last week,
so I'll come in and bug you Wednesday. Yeah. So, play this week. Some more information,
send off to statewide, and then hopefully, here's some more information on that side.
Ideally, anyways. Please get him to start writing checks, I hope.
And you got the new pick-up balls hooked up in the spray or everything? Yeah.
What was it? They still need to come in and sign a claim form for it,
so we actually had it in the field service pool before we even paid for it. So,
we're all taking care of the own house. It's insured. Yeah. Yeah.
Did you give that to Perry to put it on the insurance?
I'm pretty sure we did. I'll double check here when I leave.
But yeah, let's say everything else has been going pretty smoothly. Not too big.
Still only one gravel truck service will at the moment, but I just got to pick a day. We got to
pull the airlines and electrical out of the frame to be able to weld on it. Last time we did it,
we melted every airline in there and it would have ended up being a mess.
But we're learning from our mistakes, dang it.
Sure, I shortcut it and think you can get by, and that generally sometimes doesn't work.
I think he thought he had some work ground and figured he could get it without melting everything
and melt it every single one of those lines in there. That was a day.
As long as you connect the right ones up again.
That took some trial and error, but we got it done then.
Then we got one we have to replace. Pretty sure we're going to have to go through and replace
all the slack adjusters. The brakes never stay in adjustment. About two weeks running the trailer
and no brakes whatsoever. We think it's down to being the slack adjusters. That'll probably be a
project here after Mowing's finished, some shop time ready for wintering or excuse me,
grappling in the winter. Another day. Sounds good.
Well, awesome. I suppose if I have any update about our little transmission problem, I'll
definitely keep you guys informed. Bring it up in the next meeting if anything.
But no, that's all I really have to cover with this meeting anyways.
Thank you. Thanks for coming in.
Well, awesome. Thanks for letting me get the part test close. Should make that moment go a
little bit better. The tractor itself's been good, but that oil has just been
it's been an issue, so I'm hoping this is going to be our fix. Everything I've been told, this is
going to accommodate it anyways. Electric fans, so then you get to run some electric too, eh?
Yeah, that's a big deal. That's going to take too much.
All right.
Well, fantastic. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Y'all have a good day. Yep.
Okay, it is 10.30 and on the agenda is the airport grant amendment and a couple other
reimbursement documents.
Geez, this stuff is...
$973 local share. I got it. Yeah, I'll pass it to you. I looked at it already. Oh, I had a schedule.
Oh, good for you. I wanted to get it. Yeah, I actually haven't had it included with the other stuff, so...
You've seen this chairman or vice chair, Rinder? Yes.
A motion to approve it? Sure. Got it.
You're going to approve it all as one big long thing? I think so. It all works the same, right?
Motion made and seconded to airport grant amendment request and outlay reports request for
reimbursement twice and the airport federal financial report.
All those in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. No opposition. The motion has carried and
we will temporarily recess until our 11 o'clock agenda item. We're on our 11 o'clock
hearing the budget appropriations. Please continue. Okay, so when we get unanticipated revenue
into the county, we have to budget for it. We have to appropriate it into a budget.
Then when we're moving stuff like to compensate for a budget being in the hall, we have to
account for it. So that's what the budget voucher is doing. It's moving it, fixing it,
budgeting the money for like the loan for the IGT or the IGT piece, the intercap loan.
This just is a legal way of doing it. Yes. Yeah, we have to account for it.
And we don't normally get revenue that we don't expect to spend, but when we do, this is what
happens. So you understand? Can you make a budget? No, we did it last year. It's basically moving
a revenue into offsetting it with the expenditure so that it shows that we are accounting for some
and then the one for the extension office, we're taking from one fund into the other to account
for the budget that got missed. Might be a little off subject, but we still have ARPA funds? Yes,
and that is off subject. But yes, that and the remaining money of this, we're going to have to
do by December 31st, we have to appropriate it to something or we lose it. How much is that?
That's like 36,000. We just have to do an appropriation of what we're going to spend that on
by December 31st. And it's still category, we can talk about it later, let's... Yeah, so...
Yeah, that's part of the... Well, this looks like it has to be done.
Yeah. Right. You just want one side? I need all three. Yeah. Oh. Because one's for the
arm and one's for the budget thing and one's for the thing. Would it entertain the motion?
So move. I'll second it.
All those in favor? I. I'll pass back. Any opposition? Oh, I, I said.
Unanimous.
We will temporarily recess until our 1130. We're hitting our 1130 early. Please proceed.
Okay. The agenda item is just for the public service loan forgiveness.
It's just certifying that Daniels County is my employer. I sent it over to Christie last week.
I think it's just an e-signature deal. So it's just asking you guys to confirm that I am in fact
an employee of Daniels County. And I submit that to the Department of Education.
It's pretty simple. It's pretty painless. Yeah. Yeah. I just have to do it every year
and hope that nobody cancels the program for a period of 10 years because they like to cancel
the program for one year and restart you on your qualified payments and federal government stuff.
So do we got a form or something? Well, we have to dock. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We can probably do that.
Great. We need a motion, please. I'll make a motion. I'll second. Motion made and seconded to sign
the document for our gainfully employed county attorney. All those in favor. All right. There is
no opposition unanimous. It's a done deal. Perfect. I appreciate it guys. Thank you. We're going to
recess on a clock on our agenda and we have now more state representative candidates in our presence.
So here we are. Recording.
Happy to be here. See what I can do for Scobie Montana and Daniels County and Northeastern
110 in general. Right. Right. You said you had a meeting Thursday? A meeting Thursday in Glendive.
It's not exactly what the acronym is for it, but it has to do with we're meeting with Dawson
College Dawson Community College and you know high schools working together for
credits and that type of thing kind of a leadership meeting. The chairman of the
cabinet position of labor asked me to come. Sarah Swanson, if you know who she's from
Glasgow. Yeah, I know sir. That's who's who's invited me. Good. So it's their quarterly meeting,
I think is what it is. So hopefully you'll learn learn something. I'm meeting with the department
of environmental quality tonight in Glasgow and I guess that's water issues.
So anyway, big learning curve, but trying to check in with everybody and make sure that you
all have my number for what you know issues that do come up and anything that you might
because I don't have a general election, I can put draft bills right now.
And the sooner you get them in the higher on the agenda you are for the year.
Are we still good with that number? Yes. Thank you. So that's why I'm trying to make connections now
because you can get three bills in and really all you need is the topic and if you get them in
and three of them can even be changed around. But the sooner I can get any topic in the quicker
it is in the session comes up. So that's why I'd like to try to touch base with people now and let
them know. And if you have, I mean, if there are issues that you can see a bill, a possibility of a
bill, let's try to throw the idea out there or see their staff is out there already and they're
telling me they'll look and see if anything like it has been presented before and if it,
you know, why it did pass and what we could change or if somebody else has a similar idea,
maybe we can work together. So I'm sure you guys know more about this stuff than I do but this
is what I'm learning. So from what I gather, don't get discouraged on this state land because
these two people put a lot of time into it and they're getting nowhere. Well, and you know what,
and that's kind of the same thing with the veterans as I've been working with them and I got
it as somebody, an audience now that's on the federal level and the state level. And I said to
them, I'm not naive enough to know that everybody before me hasn't tried it, but we can't give up.
So we'll try. We'll, you know,
try to go at a different angle or something. I don't know, but let's see what's.
So you're just formulating right now? You haven't got anything real sticking out at you that would
be positive to proceed? I can't, the one thing that the state land that they didn't, I'll move up
here so you don't have to train me now. The one thing that the state land that we were struggling
with was all the other counties weren't interested in redoing the entitlement formula and I know that
word came out in Senate Bill 442 about redoing it. We lose money off of the new entitlement,
the way that they've got that compared to the way it, because we were actually getting
the pittance of pilt before and places like Beaverhead County actually make money off of the
entitlement formula because I think it has something to do with the roads and population,
that kind of thing. I can dig that out and find it for you, but I actually think it would be a
good thing for the entitlement formula to be blown to smithereens and adjusted properly and
then some kind of formula that that does justice for the one outlier in the state.
Now if you ask, we're the only county that does not get federal pilt, the only one, you know,
we have some federal lands, but 200 acres. Yeah, but they won't, they won't kind of
check for less than 200 bucks, so that's why we got 634 dollars. Yeah, we did get one in that,
it was kind of a gift, I think, you know, they were trying to appease us.
But you can see on this map? I think if they start talking about a little bit of the entitlement
formula, I would just go, well, how come, why not? And what's the alternative? And, you know,
people don't know about the state lands problem in a legislature when they find out they're like,
how come we don't do anything about this? So that would be the other thing, just simply raising
awareness and, you know, and like you already know, make sure that Eastern Montana gets
attention because we don't. Right, exactly. It was in 2001 when the entitlement program came in and
they chopped off state land pilt to state land counties, anything over six percent.
And our school used to kind of get a little bit of a bump so that they didn't have to build
the taxpayers more. It was a hundred thousand dollars for a few years and they dropped it to
75 and then they just booed it. So now our school doesn't even get that, so they have to build
the extra mills to the taxpayers. What was that called again? They don't have to look it up.
Yeah. What kind of entitlement, something, something. Anyways, that's some of the
common things they like to chirp about, that entitlement formula. May goes hugely against
entitlements because the bulk of their counties benefit from it.
And it was presented by the head of Makle at the time, Harold Blotty.
That's true. Harold Blotty was one of the former leaders of it and I guess
there, they just drank that Kool-Aid. And where is he from? He was from
Columbus. Yeah, the Stillwater Company and he was a commissioner for some time. I believe
he and his house representatives. I think it was while he was executive director of Makle
when they pushed this and the other person involved in it was Bob Story.
And I did speak with Bob Story and so Bob is the president of the taxpayers association,
something like that. Okay. He's very intelligent, although he just believes that Daniels County
screwed and don't even try to mess with that. You get that a lot. You get that a lot, so.
I don't know. Yeah, it gets disheartening, I have no doubt, I think.
Just buy it or rent. Well, then sell it to a great, exactly. If you're telling us
that that's a solution then. Or an option, even. The governor, if you say anything to him,
he'll just say, I don't want to talk about that. I don't want to hear it anymore.
Hmm. That's interesting. Just so you know what you're getting into. Be careful when you mention it.
I could show you a handwritten note from the governor to me. I was sending him stuff on
state land and on this little note he says, I'm ready to roll up my sleeves and go to work
for the Royal County of Montana. And I don't. He's still rolling his sleeves apparently.
Yes, apparently. Yeah. I'm really disappointed, but it is what it is.
Well, I guess if there's anything else or nothing else, he's got my number or everybody.
Logan's got my number, so. You haven't got your card sent out yet, have you?
Well, we're waiting for our official email addresses and stuff. And normally you don't
get them till November, but since we're in, they're trying to, and actually they're getting new
software. So we're waiting for all that to get in so we can get those. And then that would be
nice to have been able to get those out, but not yet. So. Well, we'll know when you get it.
Yes, that's right. That's right. Well, I will let you guys carry on if there's nothing else.
Thank you for coming. That's what you think of. You too. Good luck with everything and
We'll keep booking the barracks. Yeah, absolutely. And you enjoy your time out of
here. A lot of extra time. It'll give you, I would imagine. Oh, I'm pretty sure I can find something.
Yeah, you'll be coming in here sitting around all the time. Maybe they'll let you be the ex officio
to the local government review. Oh, I bet they will. I don't know. Yours passed too, to do the
review. Yeah, both, uh, Foxville, the city and the county are all here. All, everybody that
met us in the lake over there, and that was a tie and then recontent, it was still a tie. So I guess
as long as it was a tie, they don't have to do it. Mm hmm. Well, so. Travel safely. Yes, thank you.
Take care, everyone. Thank you for your time. Say hello to the governor.
Should we jump into this 130
genders? I noticed the proceed and construction contract, the century companies on the Colquitt
bridge. Here you go.
It's not as drastic as it looks. It looks pretty daunting. I'm gonna say it can't be.
Now, are they going to start on that shortly now?
Wasn't that in the middle of August? Today's the start date on our contract.
Yeah. So is Scanlon doing some dirt work for them too? No, I don't think so.
They're doing it all.
Yeah. Well, I know they're putting bridges in south of the boat, I'm right now.
Was that where they, because they moved down the clock over the tampers? Yeah, they've got,
well, there's three bridges that are going in, but there's two that they have yet to do.
And they're, wow, I should say that one, they're about two thirds of the way up.
Why are they going on the cut across?
Blast the cut across. I know they've got
three bridges that they've replaced this spring, since this spring on that road going north.
There's two past St. Marie, and there's one between St. Marie and
Glasgow, right by the old Dryden Theater. Yep. Yep. And that one further up can't come up with
his name. He was sheriff in Valley County, one time starts with a B, I think.
And it's that old unpainted house just off the road, maybe a mile or so. You come down the big
hill where the hill slid away and they repaired that. And then you come down and they have a
section house over there. Yeah. The square. Yeah. Gosh darn it. I can't think of the name. Anyway,
there's, I know there's one going in there. We were down there a couple weeks going through that.
And that's the one that they're just meeting going on. Yeah. Yeah.
Three copies. Oh, yeah.
Yep. And then there's going to be someone actually tomorrow they'll come and pick
them up so we don't have to. So there is
on page the notice to proceed. And then there's another one.
Places. Okay. Well, I'm assuming we would all be in agreement. Notice of award. That's already
been done. Notice to proceed. And then there's a few pages into it on the actual contract.
Is that the total price? Oh, you know, I didn't even look at that.
Is that the total price on that one? 1.8 something. I didn't see.
What kind of meeting did we attend? We called it. We appraised all over.
The one on zoomed in with the. Yeah. When we were short. They just went in and
reappropriated us some of them.
They like amended what they want us to do.
Is that what I read online? Yeah. Yep. The minutes of that meeting from John Bach.
They ought to do a thing.
Yeah. And this is, he sent up the pre-construction meeting John Bach sent
up all the agenda and things for that. So do you want me to fill in the day two here?
Think it's sending out that one zoom meeting that they hope to install the bridge by October 10th.
Yep.
I had to dig through your stuff over there to prove those guys. We needed to come up with $57,000 down.
Good job. They read it. I kept telling them, you know, Christie says we need to come up with some money and
look for this as well.
Way to go. Now they realize what we're telling them.
Yeah. And Roger did have an elevator.
Yeah. I still think you'd like that.
God, I think you'd like it. I don't think I'm qualified. Oh, do you ship?
Yes. And I did get ahold of the auditors on where to budget that. So they had me create another
cash reserve account with that money in. So we have to budget that.
He's like, well, just do a journal voucher and copy it over from cash into that. And I wrote back and said,
we don't have the cash to do the journal voucher. I'm just going to have to budget it and hope that it's there.
They're like, okay.
You need to attest.
Oh, I do? Yeah, somebody does.
Where?
Yeah, that's me.
Can I have a look at the order? Yes.
Go folks.
I'm going to have to make more room for my bridge file.
Yeah, I've been thinking all the emails I've been getting should go in a folder. So it's easier to know what's going on.
So I can throw all my emails stuff away now then?
I don't know if I have the same emails you have or not.
That would be a good question.
I think for a while there, they weren't sending them to me.
And John Bach's been sending them to you, hasn't he? Yeah, that's what I've been eating. Yeah, that's what I need. Can I guys throw that stuff away?
It's in the cloud, so it's always there.
Not my cloud. They keep telling me if I don't send them my password, I'm out of the cloud.
Your cloud was?
Oh goodness.
Oh
There's
Acknowledgements of principle if a partnership. Okay, if that doesn't work. No, he just said the notice to proceed and the contract.
Oh, I see I've already signed once, but yeah, here's the figure.
Well, it was 1.556, but then they increased it.
That was one of my sleepless nights.
Yeah, you
Yeah, you'll probably retire and just thinking that nightly.
How do you say $300,000? They've done pretty good since the election go over.
Huh? I had a few of us learning the new program. Really? That election program gave me nightmares.
Yeah
Well, if we're signing this at
1.5, we're going to have to sign some more for that extra.
It's already done, man. Yeah
I think we did that for a meeting I was at last meeting.
Yeah, but shouldn't it be, in total, it shouldn't be here?
Yeah. It's in the danderms.
In our dand, probably.
It's looking pretty good at that pitch, huh?
It's like a little air mail going on.
Yeah.
It's amazing how much junk you got to go through to the bridge in.
There's so much. It's crazy.
I mean, when they put the old one in, they didn't have to pay for it.
How many put it in? It was in 40s? 40 or 47?
I bet you they did it for less than two million.
Oh, what?
This is the cost for these guys. The 200,000 has already been
through the bridge. Right. The two together equal your 1.8.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What page is that on?
Well, it doesn't say that part on. This is just our contract.
This is what we're going to pay a century.
Oh, I see. Okay.
It's the 1.5, and we've already paid the 200 and some are going to pay the 200.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
For the structure of the bridge itself.
So that extra is in here.
Yeah.
Why'd you find that?
Well, I didn't. I just read it, and I'm like, oh, you guys are forgetting the
200 and some thousand that we're going to be paying.
I thought they were talking about the gravel base in that,
but, you know, I think it's concrete.
Oh, it is? I think so.
Oh, I thought we went for that gravel.
It wasn't a gravel?
I thought it was, but...
For the bottom of the bridge structure?
Yeah.
Maybe it still is, and maybe I'm just dreaming hallucinating.
Well, here on 108, over on the next page,
concrete bridge deck.
Yeah.
$179,000.
You know, so it is.
I think in the long run, it's better.
Oh, well, yeah, it's always better in gravel.
Yeah.
That way, they don't have to run their blades across it
to maintain the gravel on the bridge.
They were supposed to feed them two rails
so they could set the...
Energy.
Yep.
Can we get in our bridge from?
Centuries.
Oh, no.
Hmm.
Or we look it up.
When did we get the bridge?
That was...
Two months ago.
Yeah, what was it going to say, June?
Or it might even have been longer than that.
I know, it's been a while.
Okay.
Evidently, they're not going to put a guardrail on?
No.
And we need guardrails on our damn highway
to water.
Like, to slew
down here at
Fingers.
Oh, wait a minute.
There's no guardrail on it now.
Well, it says there's a guardrail bridge approach section.
Right, yep.
So it's got to have a little bit of a wall there on the sides
to keep people from bouncing and going in there.
Because there are going to be some pretty steep ditches there, I think.
And you could...
How wide is that bridge?
Which is it?
24?
As I said, it's 24, 28.
24, I think that's what they...
So you can pick your headers up
and
get across with a header on?
With these new commas, I can lift them up over a guardrail.
Seversons.
Barely enough.
Yeah, and...
Here it picked up
so you could get over a post
and after you got through, realize that
you could have went through without
picking up it.
There's going to be some
taking off and putting on.
A good operator
to get up there and use the diesel
right on through that will do a lot
when I help those guys up.
Richland?
Maybe Clemson's ones.
Yeah.
With a swatter, you could
get in there at an angle
and bring that corner around
and get the other side through.
Dad said, how in the world did you do that?
He said, well, watch this.
Yeah, we just back in with
combines on the side and just...
Turn it.
Angle around the post.
Is that the bridge file?
Holy buckets.
To start copies, too.
Is that that $260,000
written...
price?
It says crushed aggregate base
for the surfacing
of this bridge.
I don't know what that's all about.
I have no idea.
So I don't know.
We have little stars by...
It says concrete
glass deck bridge deck.
And this one says aggregate base.
Crushed aggregate base surfacing.
Yeah, the base.
Jesus, how thick is it
going to be?
If we're going to put a base on it
plus the concrete...
It's there.
Imagine you got the embankment
here.
Don't lose it.
Don't throw it in the garbage.
So if you get mad, don't throw it in the garbage.
You sure you want to turn it in yet?
Yep, I'm done.
I don't know if we keep one
and they keep two.
Yeah, so it's my understanding
the contractor wishes to begin
the week of August.
They'll begin with the demolition
of the existing bridge.
So
aggregate base course.
Yeah, I don't know.
Well,
I don't think it's
our expense.
It's the most important thing.
Yeah.
Can we,
in the interest of time,
are we done with this?
Yeah, this is part of your...
Ha!
Ha!
Ha!
What are you doing?
Giving him solid waste stuff?
No.
Oh.
It's like, here, here, here.
Good decision.
Ha!
You keep that now
when you attend meetings.
Well, I know it's all in anyway.
Of course, trading fees.
Well, any in charge of the...
The park board?
Park board? Oh, yeah.
Well, you must know how much trading fees are.
You better get yourself a horse.
Yeah.
I've already been down that road.
Yeah, and it's going to be interesting.
Yeah.
God, I'm helpful today.
Look, I suppose I got to make
a copy of this to put in the address.
Here.
Oh, no, I need to dispatch.
Jesus.
Now, that's going to drive me
to drink to that whole project.
Yeah, I saw this.
I think I got it in my file.
I sure would like to see those gates
wide open so you can enter the gates there.
I think that would solve a lot of problems.
I really do.
Dakota said when he cleaned it
two years ago or whenever the last time
he cleaned it, he just took them apart.
Took them apart.
And I said, why not?
It's going to be across.
Why not make those gates
wide enough so that the whole door
swings?
It's easy to clean up.
Nobody has to be
shoveling the kitchen.
You know, so...
I don't know, could you put a powder
in the panel on the outside?
Do you have John Locke's phone number?
He's kind of found it.
Michael P.
Do you have John Locke's phone number?
Yes, I do.
Do you have John Locke's?
Could you just call him and ask him
for his phone number?
Sure.
I can't say in the letter, but I'm guessing
it goes back to get to him, too.
Sure.
Let's see.
Each ID.
K.O., I'm at home.
Yeah.
Boy, got a lot of gyms in here.
A lot of John's, too.
Oh, did we do an auction?
No, we have not.
Pretty busy. He didn't ask for a look yet.
Hi, John.
Michael P.
Good.
We just signed the documents
for the
go-ahead.
You get all three copies?
Just two of them.
One will be you guys for your records.
That's what we wanted to know for sure.
Okay.
John, really quick.
Tomorrow, when it's way through,
we'll send the documents from you.
Christie's asking who will pick up?
Will Canaro.
Oh, Will Canaro.
Okay, gotcha.
Perfect.
Any other questions?
Where's the bridge coming from?
What's the company that's making the bridge again?
Contact.
Contact.
Okay.
Okay.
Well, I think we're good.
We're excited. Are they up here working today?
Yep.
They were supposed to start this morning.
I didn't send Will up just because the first day,
there's not much up there, so
I figured there's not much to watch,
but he's going to go up and check on him tomorrow.
Sounds good.
All right.
Thank you very much.
You bet, Jeff.
Okay.
Okay.
So do we, I guess we need
a notice
or a, excuse me,
a motion
to sign
the notice to proceed?
I'm going to move.
I'll sign it.
I'll go soon.
Don't forget it.
I'll go soon.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Gary made the motion.
I seconded it.
And I was dragging my feet.
All those in favor?
I.
The unanimous.
10 to 2.
We have our two o'clock agenda item.
Discussion on fair board meeting
and sale of the peerless ballpark.
Mike, you want to,
what do you think?
You want to give the report?
I got a bunch of data here
that I collected.
From the fair board?
Yeah. Fair board meeting.
Yeah, we had a,
I would say it was a good meeting.
It was kind of long.
Jim Buer gave a
synopsis of
hunting.
Mainly bird hunting
in the county.
How much money it
brings or potentially brings
along with
the need for camping
and his thoughts on that.
But it was also brought up
that the fairgrounds
is not a campsite.
It's an overflow campsite
and that we shouldn't be taking
their thoughts as they don't want to take money away from
the lions
or whitetails
or flax field communities
that use that money in their areas
and golf course
and in turn give it back
to the community.
So
I think they were going to probably
go ahead with an increase
for camping fees
at the fairgrounds
just based on
the first and lowest price
place to go camping.
They don't want all the traffic,
they don't want all of the
I shouldn't say all of it,
but there is some trash issues
things like that.
And
they don't want to increase
their
power sources
to accommodate more
to make up for
some of the costs that they're incurring.
So
they basically held their own
and
Jim had some pretty valid points
really
but
it's not a camping site
place.
It's an overflow place that people
can use
because they have to hire somebody
to come in and clean bathrooms now
and they have that added expense
and
they just
they just don't want to get in the middle of having
to have somebody down there managing
the camping.
We also got a phone call from
them asking about the resort
tax but I think what they meant is the
bed tax.
Because that is a thing actually.
It is a thing.
And they weren't aware of it.
We made them aware of that.
So
I don't know how
we're going to deal with that.
Well constructively they can do it
as a
just it's like a fee
but it's not a set fee.
It's just a on your owner type
fee. That's what the lion's doing
to get away with it so that they don't have to pay
the bed tax.
As soon as you set a fee
well they have.
And so now they
are responsible for the bed tax.
Right.
Which is significant.
Just looked it up.
40%.
It's a lot.
It's a lot.
I don't think it was 40.
Terry Farber thought it was.
And Mike thought
he confirmed it.
It's a lot higher than you
generally want to admit.
And
four for status.
Four?
Well
anyway.
And then here's the other portion
of Jim's report.
And
since 2019
since he started the program
they were at
14 users at $720
2020
they had 18 users at 18
20
36 they had
19 they started at 10
then they pushed it to 20
at 21 they had 36
at $3,600
22 they had 31
at $3,100
23 they had 75
at $7,500
that's
camp nights it's not
individuals it could have been
the same individual that was
doing it and so he liked
percentages and
the increase was
in camper fee revenue was
944%
and then
he thought well we've got
all these hookups
and he took pictures of all the
electrical hookups down there
and he said if we used
all of them we could have
24
which would give us
144 users
per year
for $14,400
at the $20
fee and then his concern
was people weren't going to camp there
if they pushed it to 40
Terry did tell me
last night at the fair they did vote
for the 40
it was 1% people
on it
what they're missing out on
is they're just like the museum
as soon as you
turn any light on
June 1st you're on demand
so every kilowatt
you're paying much
much more on for every
kilowatt of power
and Cheryl Raff
or Booth
she was the first one to point out
when they hook in back there by the
shoots because they bull breakers
all the time and then they're calling somebody
about for those times
and so
anyway
and we both
said this is your
situation we're not
here to
encourage or discourage or anything
we're just here we want to hear
the situation
and
you guys to take care of this
it's your duty
responsibility
and so then
because
this was their agenda
the minutes of
their last meeting and they were just
going I had no idea
I said so are we done well
yeah you know
not really
I said
Terry
and Terry
Terry asked Terry Farber
Corey I said Mike
and I would like to go down and look at the
parks board
facility
and
would like to have you guys come along and
they had other things they had to do and he said
fine we'll go look at it
so we went and looked at it
and it's
about the same as it was two weeks
I think
two stalls were cleaned
the one that was cleaned and had fresh
and the pony in it was
Terry's
last Tuesday
night
I called you I asked if you wanted to go
it was the week before
I called you and you said no you had to
get ready for the wedding and then
I got
informed later that the meeting
was off of week
and I let you know that
I wanted to
so Mike and I
enjoyed it
so Mike and I went down and looked
and there's great possibilities
there but somebody's got to
manage it
and it needs some repairs
so that's the lights
there were a bunch of lights out that
hadn't been replaced apparently
and
it was hard to find the light switches
I thought they had put them all in
but there were sockets with no bulbs in
didn't they order them all though
they ordered enough
Lee ordered enough
Ed Hinton or somebody ordered enough to
completely do it
they're not in
and you look at the north
door on it
we didn't look at it close but it's obvious
from the outside and the inside
it's barely hanging there
south one buried the pictures
which one did he have pictures of
the doors falling off
that was
the door that they
when they built the stall sheds
they removed the two doors
and one was maybe
still on the rail
the other one
wasn't
and it was kind of leaning like this
and when we went down there
it was leaning against the stall barns
and
I just thought
let's do something with the doors
get them out of there so they don't
I doubt if they would fall down on somebody
but it's just a nice
so that's where I
my personal
thought here was
if you look at the
revenue that they're bringing in
and that people are not participating
and maybe it's because they think
Michael P. is
not a nice person and making
their lives miserable
I don't kind of get that
sense and
so I thought
okay this is a county building
and we are
somebody should be
responsible for it
so as a county
I wondered about the north door
maybe we should be thinking about
a roll-up door
so you could always
have easy
access
to it
and I thought
yeah
and I thought well then where could we get the funds
for it and that's where I come back
to the sale of the peerless ballpark
and I'm thinking if
we had a minimum
try to advertise
sell that
at a minimum we know what it's valued at
we know what it costs
us for the appraisal
if we could get some money out of that
I would be willing
to help these people
put this
back in some kind of shape
but as
Commissioner Theven said
it starts with the stalls
then stalls
have got to be cleaned out before
we
commit anything huge to it
and so
interestingly enough
the next day
I got a call from Dakota
and
he says we want to be real clear
we want to
get this thing cleaned up
and stuff but it's the fair
and it's harvest and I says
okay I get it
and he says when I get my
skid steer back and run
again he says we'll go in there
that's when he told me they just
took those stalls apart
and that's how they cleaned them out
and he says
something he's talked to
Bucklins I believe
about spreading them in there
you know get rid of it
right away let's not be stockpiled
under anything
and I told Dakota he says
we want to work with you but
you're going to have to get more involved
and you're going to have to start
showing a little pride
in taking care of this thing
and I said if there was a way
that we could get some funds
to help with it
to some degree
because if we did that
ballpark thing that soon the place
we could use the money is in a part
situation
we basically decided
not selling the ballpark until
they can make some changes down there
is that what was decided
just do it anyway
exactly
my point we have a plan
whether we institute
along with the people that we want
to help us
and do the upgrades down there or not
we might not
we might not let it go for what in
you know we have the right to refuse
or accept any bid right
okay but
what I was getting at is
the money we get
so if we decide to sell the ballpark
the money has to go into the park but
whether we want it to or not
it has to so therefore
there it sits and they have access
to see that
can't you put it into
like a repair fund
but see that's the whole thing
they have their
it has to go to
so their $22.10 is their park fund
so any money that we get from that sale
has to go into that
then they can see
it's their money
we print out the revenue for it they see
and who's in charge spending that money
but we still have to approve the claims
right
but they need to understand
that that money is there but they can't use it
I mean that's I don't know how you
can't you put it in a capital reserve
for
a capital reserve
parks board fund
I would think you could and then
then it's your mark only for that
and if so
if they run out of money
like they have in the past
they can take it out
no no
not at your market
that's a capital reserve
yes you can
we just have it in the past
you can do it and so then it can't be
transferred in for
whatever
the downside is that
if you want to use it for something else you can
you know what I'm saying
but it has to have commissioner approval
or
okay they don't have 30 let's say
there's $30,000
we have that same thing
with our 9-1-1 money
guess where it went we're broke
we started spending it
that's just what's going to happen to this
well we could authorize to spend it
but we'd have to do that as a
but where are you not
spending it if they need
something down there where are we
to sit there and say no you can't have it
it's yours but you can't have it
because we earmarked it for a door
and another door whatever you
want to call it
that's what it's for
unless we authorize it to be
changed to
have them use it for something else
they've got to be
they've got to be
that's a capital improvement so that's part of
what you can spend it on
yeah
we can earmark it and try to hold it
for what our intentions
are for
and I'm also saying
we know what
that ballpark
was appraised at and what it cost us
for the appraisal
that in my mind would be a
minimum
and if we don't get that minimum I guess
we don't sell it
okay
three o'clock
Michael K. Murphy here
he's not here
but he has a letter
this is a little
convoluted
current legal status of the road
I thought we told him that
for half the way up
a quarter mile it was
what meeting does he refer to
January 6th
January 6th meeting
January 3rd
2024
by conference call
11 a.m
wanted
I'll just read it so we can all be
my intent and purpose
of that call wanted to
openly communicate
to you my questions
in regards to the raised
half-mile gravel road
that is located on
my deeded property
seven miles southwest
of Fort Butte's
is the property line
on the east side
of the road is that what he was maintaining
and that road
is on his property
do you recall that?
yep
since probably
2009 the road has not been maintained
by county road departments
since 2017
the road is no longer
on the MDT
GEO information map
custom Daniels County
MDOT in Helena
and district MDOT in Glendis
do not have it as an active
county road in that the state
is no longer providing
any gas tax funding
for maintenance
Kenny
when he broke his hit in
2000, up until 2019
was keeping the road up
kept it mowed for fire hazard
and sprayed for weed control
for our use to access
and maintain our land craze
both for purposes they have
land
north of Jim's shitsteads
right?
and to get to it
this was the easiest way
but they would have to go through Jim's yard
you don't have to go through Jim's yard
you have to go by the east
side of the
west side of the house
and the trees
you should know this
you live there
we have used the road
since it was built on our land
in 1934
for our needs
in addition since early 2001
the north end of the road
has been currently
closed and posted by the shitsteads family
denying any public
use to exit or enter
the north end of the road
I also shared with you
based on Meme on engineering records
from
Erbilian Associates filed in the court
on April 20, 2011
for utility easements
the road is located
only on my deed of land
I communicated
that my intentions had three objectives
one, I want to conduct research
on the origin and history
with this road
and under Montana statutes
and with guidance from the board of common commissioners
establish a
current legal status for this road
road position
271
Township
35 north
range 46 east
B
request a written definition
of
parenthesis public highway parenthesis
based on February 3, 1934
concenters
deed for right of way
question mark
request that the road
be named Harriet Springs
January 4
did receive a call from
commissioner London
it's spoken to the county attorney
based on the initial review
it is county road 271
we also spoke about
renaming the road
and I provided the history and background
why requested it
to be named Harriet Springs
today I am following up
on the status of two items
from that call
first to obtain written definition of public highway
and the status
of naming the road Harriet Springs
and in addition
I am also now requesting
that the existing chick coin road
three miles south of
four beets that are in six miles
west from south four
beets road to Gilkes road
being renamed to Murphy road
at one time there were
three chick coin
road signs on this road
but one has been missing
for several years
and three 911 addresses
of which one is
a renter
one that has been vacant for years
in my address
at 300 chick coin road
the chick coin family
was related to us for marriage
but all our family
and descendants
all their family and descendants
are no longer living
and do not own any property
on this road
our family is the only original
homestead family now left on this road
we do not plan on going anywhere
and that is the reason for
my request
should we sell it
for
a couple million dollars
so one part of the chick coin road
does not read us
all of it okay
too many dollars to have those names
oh yeah too many places
water
yeah
yeah you betcha
you too again
no I'm good thank you
left handed
I crushed
yeah
when they were doing way back when
when they started mapping out all the roads
it seems was the time to request name changes
and stuff to others
Neil Shibat got his changed
later years
I don't know if it was too far later though
I don't know if it was very far later
he just couldn't be
living on that road
well it sounds to me like
the basis of his whole thing is to get
access so he can go up another
road back and forth
well he can anyway
no they've got to shut off
ship says have it shut off
that's what it sounds to me like
oh thank you
the rest of this is just love
I think the
and at that point I would say that's between him and
ship says
well descendants
descendants of
people who were trying to sell it
they were trying to sell it
and what son
there was
they said it was
private road and they needed
access
I don't know
pardon me
in 271
it is for a while
the half a mile
or quarter mile
and the rest is abandoned
that's how we used to go
to perilous old times
show me where it's going
this is the ship going forward
where is the one
I think I have some
right here
well it's either this one
or the intersection
I think so
these roads
even when I was young were never maintained
never
they went
they go up on this road
maybe once in a while until the boat ships
that turn
this is the procedure to
name the road
plus then you have to send it into
or the post office
I mean there's a lot of places that we use
descendants to
9-1-1 to Zercher
or whoever does the share slot this now
I don't honestly know
what the cost is
to change in your own
but this is a whole new road
so
it doesn't even exist anywhere
the Harriott Springs one you're talking about
well it exists
no I mean but there's no name anywhere in the world
for it
there's not another road name for it
out there
road petition 271
that's part of that road right
yes
because
but it's not been a named road
no
so you could just describe
where it is
it seemed to me if I recall right
the issue was that
there was easements
coming from both sides
Morris Murphy on this side
Kenny Murphy on this side
like these easements overlap
a quarter of a mile
on this
is it a half mile or is it
a half mile
the easements are probably
a quarter mile each way
so they overlap
on the same quarter mile
I think
3546
what's the road number
271
Valley County
I would
the Betzo
if it was
34 did 1934
yeah
okay
3649
I'm looking for
3546
3548
47
3546
Jesus
Jesus
because there's a
trail right through here
cuts us right out
I've seen it on this one
you can see that
because you end up coming
right on the outside from our
place
shit I'm
20
hmm
there's no talent trip
3546
he doesn't
3546 he doesn't
now
if I recall right
you go backwards
look it
there it is
I can't read the glasses
1234
I was
just looking here
right here
now ain't that
shit stand right there
that's their house
right there
that's their place
it's Daniel's
the main road
township 35 north range
46 with a question mark
got it
but it says it's Daniel's
this trail
that's what I was looking right here
that's the trail because you can go right
by their house from here and you can go
always straight north
so the south
quarter corner of section 23
then north for a distance of one half mile
to the quarter corner
quarter section 23
is that right
okay
so what are we looking for
easements
how about deeds for right away
deeds for right away
okay
and he actually called
Effie, Murphy and Harriet Wolter
Harriet Wolters
Harriet Springs
Wolter
consenters deed for right away
so there's
a Henry Hartman
the Harriet Wolter
and Effie, Murphy
Effie, Murphy is
the
mother
is Kenny's and Morris's
mother
right
Murphy
what which one
Effie
Effie, Murphy I believe that is
so this is for a distance
of a fourth of a mile
the south corner of section
2335
this is a half mile
it's following the quarter line north for a distance
of one half mile to the center
of section 2335
this is east out
that's for 30 feet
in lift line
west of
an adjacent
to the quarter line
and extending from the center
of 23
south for a distance of one quarter mile
it is
required for the road
purpose so there's another one for the
quarter of a mile
this is for a half mile
yeah
and in that road it goes right up
and you come right out on the other side
and it follows a fence line
in width
line immediately
you see the map
here he has this whole side
and then the other two are from these two
so your easement
this is Henry for his half mile
to the east
and then these two are their quarter miles
to the west
but you just read there
Dan Murphy and Harriet
Gilchrist
Gilchrist
Gilchrist is right on the corner
yeah Harriet Gilchrist
is the
I thought that was
he said they were related
no he said the chicken
right
and then
this one you say goes the rest of the way
runs a whole half mile
oh yeah
I don't know what names on that one
Harriet
Henry Hearthman
strip of land 30 feet
with
line immediately
east of and adjacent to
the quarter
section line
and extended from the south
corner
of section 23
north for distance
of one half mile to the center
of section 23
said
township and range
which is
so that's this side
so that's that side
and these two people
are this side
so I don't know unless he owns all this property
he does own
the road goes right down in the middle
of the two properties
so who owns the land
on either side of that road now
um
MDF doesn't it
let's see
of Murphy's
in 23
35
looks like maybe
Mucklevane's
shouldn't it be
Shipstead and Murphy's at this point
nope
isn't that what he's arguing about
Shirley Mucklevane
that's this chunk right here
in 35
46
Lid the Belongy
you own this
this is the Morris Murphy place
nope
no the Morris Murphy place is the other Belongy
right here
Alfred and Linda own all this see
sorry did
so who owns it
and here's the road
in question
yeah
Shipstead's own it
on the east
on the
yeah
I'm on the Cadastro right now
so hopefully I can
Shipstead's own all of it
right there on both sides
they own half of this
next block see
where that road is right here
that trail that they're talking about
going north and south
did Murphy say he owned
the other side
well he thinks he owns the road
I mean the county owns the road
so I don't know if it's the state of Montana
but he might have the
you can see right there
that Shipstead's
and they go past where that road is
and we're talking about right here
that's the road goes into Shipstead's
right here
they own these
they got cars parked in these
so I know this is Shipstead's
supposed to be
okay so this one says
Belingers
3546 section 23
yeah the southeast
east and southeast
Belingers
oh so Michael Murphy owns the
west side of that road
is gone
Morris Murphy house I think is
11 and gone
this is Murphy
we'll need to
what can we just say
we're not changing roads
names
well the chicken yeah
I don't I vote not to change
that road
wait after when you want strength
well that was the second thought
he originally wanted that road
we're looking at to have a name
because there's no name
that one goes past Shipstead's house
that little half mile that we were just looking at
has no name maybe just tell them
since there's little or no
no name call it no name really
little or no activity on the road
there's no need to change
it
so how do we respond
so what do you guys
oh
I'm totally confused here
is your meeting done
well I think we just leave it alone
thank you
well that's company energy that's going to sit out there
for the simple fact
there's very little traffic
are you waiting for someone
and really no need to change
he can call
whatever you wish
we're pretty busy here today
and how are you today
right
so the legal status
of this road
would be considered
a county road for the first
half mile
the second half
mile
no name
when I was a kid
there was never anybody that road graded
passed basically
Gilcrest corner once in a while I suppose
maybe for snow removal
they go to Shipstead's and maybe to Murphy's
but not for
oh not the blame
Murphy had definitely had to have a snow plow
out there
Andrew's school bus
school bus
do you
we don't sell by the school bus
not ours
what do you got
stickers
oh it's just
they do have stickers
they're all for you
oh my god
that's sticky
unless you want to wait
for loads in the name
yeah
I'm just jotting some notes here
who's your agenda item really quick
before we do the show
sign this
thing for action
sure
agenda item
at
3.30 action for eastern
montana verification of
receipt
for 4.25 action
roman work plan
sign it
sign it and what
sign it and say we received their
action plan
I was talking to Lee
he was right behind me
you sure
motion
motion to
approve the
all second
motion made in second
to approve the action for eastern
montana verification form all those in favor
aye
no opposition
motion is carried
thank you
what was it
did you guys not see
I don't know
sheriff
hi sheriff
let me sit down
gosh we got to get you a white chair
don't we
she didn't order it for me yet
it was pretty special
we couldn't get it
in that color
okay
what's going on here
so I
sent you guys an email I wasn't sure if you
got a chance to look at it but
Motorola
their project team
is coming up to walk through
our
office
on the 28th
of August
to
start planning
for the consoles
so they would like
to do a
they want to do a walk through
a site walk through
they want to do
they also want to do a
power point
with us
to get a conference room to do that
in
so I wanted to see if at 9am
that morning we could do that up here
and then
go down there and do the
site walk through
so and they would
they wanted to
you don't want to use the ambulance meeting room
alright we could do that too
that would probably be better
it's less crowded and you'd have to ask
we to make sure you have it open
that room for stuff
I asked them to open the door
no I said just make sure nothing else
is being used
will they come to you for that key
I know Mary
and I used to have trouble getting in
there one night
and go someplace to get a key
I do not have a key
to the door there
we don't have a key to the ambulance bar
I thought you'd have a key to the ambulance
or the next door
but I don't have the key to that door
is this what you got me all
shook up on my
computer
it was this
and you handed me a hand up
so I clarified that
how did I get you shook up
you shouldn't do that on my computer
so the screen they need
from the power point is that just a tv
screen or
yeah it's just a tv screen
I mean I could
do it in my dispatch
we have it all set up for it
but if we had a 911 call
come in or something like that
then I would interrupt everything
so I just didn't want to do that
so I figured
down there is fine too
it doesn't matter to me
but they invited
all of you commissioners
to come and do
so that everybody knows
what's going on
those are going to work and everything
and that was
what day, what time?
Wednesday the night
yeah the 28th at 9am
they will be here
I will be here unless I'm needed in the field
say what?
so you dazed and confused
well I hope
Chase is available
that's all I got is this little part here
did I give you the wrong one?
I did, that's okay
we'll move on to that one next
sorry
I don't want that, I'll read yours
here's the other one
I'll read this one
this is just
so I need somebody
one of you
which I actually
is the Montana
the state
I need one of you guys to write a letter
somebody to write a letter
to the state
for the firewall
the firewall we have
I need access
to get into the firewall
they need to let us know
so here's the
I don't know what commissioners want
I don't know
here is the information
for you
this is
I spoke
I call these people
so 445232
she's Kelly
is there from 7 to 3
she said that's her direct line
and that she can
give you
okay so the whole stupid thing to all of this
does she obviously know
she needs to call
and she's not calling
us
and she said you need to call her
and Justin has told her
and yeah I kind of love this person
so she said that
you need to call her
to get this thing going
the case number
is
the email that I sent over
to you
on it
because
they are not like it says
in here
things that it's got to be
in order for me to get
state because what
is happening right now
is that when we run
a driver's license
or any
a driver's license or a plate
so did you find out
if I'm the Christy
or if Christy ship says the Christy
I can't find out anything
so I cannot find
anything at all
because I am not within the security group
it's the commissioners
and one of the Christy's in this town
I don't know
so just give them both the sign
and we'll be good right
okay so give me the number
every Christy and all
so
it's 5232
523270
yeah
so and as soon
what needs to
happen is they need the IP
source and destination
I have all that information
also I will email it over
to you so that we
because we are not
when we're sending stuff out
we don't know
if it's getting to them
or coming back
they need to research
what's happening here because
with our CAD system
is not working properly
at all and I have been trying
to get it working
forever now and
that way
when they're on a traffic stop
it keeps them there for
20 minutes
which in turn is really irritating
anybody that's getting pulled over
why are you keeping me here
well because I can't
I'm having all this trouble getting the information
and I know the citizens out there
just
maybe they shouldn't do something to get pulled over
and they wouldn't sit there for 20 minutes
maybe they shouldn't just get pulled over
they're here
they should do like Jim Bailey
I will mail you the ticket tomorrow
go ahead and go
the sooner I can get
this
fix
it will be
it will be
much better
anyways
so
but
other than that
we are
yeah
and I told her today
when I spoke to her
that it wouldn't even be
tomorrow or the next day
because you guys are having meetings
for the next couple of days
what happens if I'm not the Christy
what do we do
it's got to be one of these guys
and how do we know which one was on there
well
probably
I like to
freeze
the thing of it is
I think what would have to happen
is somebody's going to have to write
on their head
a new list of people
that can
have access
to the security group
and that would be up to you guys
that's the weird thing
I didn't even know
you guys had this SITSD down there
so you told me
and I'm like oh I didn't know that
so I'm not sure I'm on that list
maybe you should be
yeah
so
I'll call up the Christy
your name
well she said she's been emailing Christy
well I haven't been getting any emails
so I'm not so sure
she told me Christy
she said commissioners and Christy
she never confirmed the last name
with me
but then she told me she said it's an email
and I never got an email
so we're wondering if it went to another Christy
I don't know
I do not know
but
are you trying to access what again now
so
basically what's happening is our CAD system
isn't able to receive
we don't know if it's
we think it's sending okay
but it's not receiving okay for sure
the information
that we need when
for instance when we're in a traffic stop
be to the CAD system
we have
omnics
which we can definitely do a traffic stop
and we can do it okay
but what delays the traffic
stop is we have to do everything in omnics
and then we're transferring it over to our CAD system
so it just takes
just extra steps
which if we can cut that down
we're taking out the middleman
and then we can just do a traffic stop
and they can be in and out of a traffic stop
within five minutes
and not be there
but he's more efficient
but he's super fast
he is so fast
like he rattles off everything so quick
and he's sitting there probably twiddling
us thumbs at us going like
hello so there's a
Christy and a commissioner
who was
somebody who
is in the security group
you know I bet you it's Lee
I wouldn't be surprised
this is kind of
yeah is it kind of ringing the bell
no
no I'm not that bad if you're here
no because like I said I had no idea
they had to stay dinner
I must be
well I would probably
this is probably a good thing that it's getting brought up right now
because then it can be fixed
and the letter can be written
from you guys and you can get it
situated all the way around for up here
and down there so
one of the major benefits
of it all is we pay for the programs
but we can't
access them because of a firewall
and you need to know
who the two people are
the county's paying for all these programs
and they're not talking to each other
and it's just a firewall
well when it comes to stuff like this too
if anything went on with
any of these computers
and then all and like say
something did really bad happened
and we needed to access
and we needed their help
and then we're like
at that moment
if we don't fix this problem right now
and then you're calling over there saying help
and nobody can do anything
because we're not on the list
that's a problem
so it's just a simple letter
to write over there
some authority they had it before
Kristi and some other commissioner
were signed on
to give the authority to do this
but now we don't
we lost record or lost
Kristi Shipson is why I'm thinking
because I would never access
I need to access your stuff
down there
so I don't know
and then they're pulling it off of ours
it's not about what's down there
it's about I think
an overall
it's an overall thing
because it's the state
so
so
but she may be able to clarify that a little more
if I can get Kristi Shipson to talk to
when it goes over 10
I will say last
I'll just say this is for this
I'm not sure
I don't have any information
so go that way
I'm as far as I can get
so
well your regardless just needs
to be taken
just needs to be addressed
like I said we've tried
but
that is
that's where I'm at
I'll call in the morning
see if you can get her
before they come
I'll just say this is Kristi
no last name
no name Kristi
and then if they ask me some code number
yeah it's kind of crazy
there's always that spot where
you have to get a hold of Lee
I'm not hearing this
I'll channel Lee
they have that option
when you call
did you forget your password
should be checked
I'm stuck in this chair
until the meeting is done
so I might as well not even get up
I gotta wait
for what reason date your stickers
those are for you
no I don't like stickers
I'm afraid of Velcro
I'm not that aware of it
I'm afraid of Velcro
stay safe and sound
and I'll see you around
cute
where you guys get these
read them back
it's that national child
safety awareness
that we've been doing
national child safety health
but we don't make big money for it
and believe me when they called
and they're like well have you ever seen this
and I'm like I don't even know who this is
I didn't even know who they were
when they walked in and used themselves
but that little itty-bitty puppy dog thing that's on there
I recognize that symbol
I got a tote full of this stuff
I donated
at least the last 3-4-5 years
for it
we're gonna go do
some for the kids tomorrow
and go utilize all that stuff
at the library
the little kindergarten roundup
you're gonna go to that
we're doing that tomorrow
trying to find a woody
or sheriff woody outfit
but
my grandson's call
yeah that would be
at least the hat
your grandson at least 5-10
not yet
wanna move on over
to mine
yep
4 o'clock sheriff woody's here
you can just
switch seats
he needs to be in front of the microphone
oh it was picking it up
I've seen it
I only made 4 copies
there's that
you can get the sign one
I'm gonna steal yours
for a second
we're gonna go over the activity
for incidents
so
as a fill in this out
there were 172 incidents
but
after running it before
or at the end of
well you guys just ran out today didn't you
181 incidents last month
to include
once I got him in there
like
the hit on him
28 traffic stops
25
plus fires
or burn permit
those are
looped into the fire and the burns
there was 119 of them
here in scoby
12 of them out in flexville
and 41 out in the county
so
that's where we're at with that
I guess
651 or so
calls into dispatch
plus isn't that what I was reading
I can't remember I think that's what I got from you guys
off of
the
what do you call
the motor all of the 911
911
I think that's what you told me
650 plus calls
is that
whenever you pick up the phone
that's everything
if you call one out later
that's 151
calls 12 or 391
yep
into dispatch and 911 650 calls
kind of time
a day average
a lot
20 plus calls
but when I filled this out
it was before the end of the month
and it went up to 181
so
each fire contains
numerous phone calls
okay
so one call could add up to
five or six
for the same
type incident
but as far as
this month goes Rex is going to
academy
he'll be leaving
on
the Saturday prior
Sunday prior
because he starts Sunday
so he'll be leaving the Saturday prior
so that'll be the 1730 leaves
how are your deputies working out
they're working out pretty good
they're working out so good
that people don't like us anymore
they complain because
they have to
they're getting stopped at stop signs
or driving down main street with their headlights off
they don't call me
they call the judge and complain to the judge
you know
like we were saying if they don't like it
then
I said watch at least three on the weekend
the day that run through those stop signs
right up by our house
that's a park ones right
the park ones
they'll come to catch you
I know I parked out in the middle of the street one time
yeah
there's quite a few
but
I mean
we've gotten the excuse of
you know I've never been pulled over
for doing 78 miles an hour
what's your lucky day
you know I'm sorry
I mean it's just
you gotta be kind of quick
don't you give warnings or nothing
you know my warning is
when my lights come on
you should have slowed down
yeah a lot of people have been getting warnings
well I mean I was just wondering
you're saying people are complaining
but you are trying to meet some of them
there is
yeah there's like
I gave a warning right after the fair
people were leaving
the fairgrounds with their headlights off
I don't think I made it
but ten feet without turning my headlights on
your headlights are on
and then I wait for them to turn them on
and then I let them go
and then the lights are off
yeah your headlights are off
most cars are
always on
the other vehicles don't have that
yeah I can turn mine completely off
yeah I know you can
but yeah
and some people will do that because they're so used to not having automatic headlights
that they shut it off
they overwrite it
but yeah there's
people are complaining
and they give
a lot of warning
I was just curious
so let
I can explain the can system to you too
I have a assignment
I need the sign
she wants this one it's the original
I mean I've had
I just needed the original
so give me warnings
yeah we give warnings
we'll give warnings for headlights
we'll give warnings for speed
I mean I hate to have to run you
if you ain't gonna give me a warning
so something really interesting about our can system
especially when
what we have to do
when we run everything over here
and then we gotta go and input it over here
when we put all that information into the system
it keeps record
of those warnings that people get
when they get a warning warning warning warning
after about the fourth warning
hey you need to replace your headlight
you're gonna get a citation
yeah right
so you can come back
and say this is our fourth warning
the fall okay
you've already had three or four warnings
for running a stop sign
in the middle of the school zone
with children present
they don't like that one too much
I wouldn't say you have too many warnings
oh not on that one
no
especially when
school is going
but
Bobby Joe
and Ross
are scheduled for their training as well in December
for Coroner
I'm scheduled in December for Coroner
the 29th of this month
I have to go to hell on the
to become the senior operator
on our Intoxylizer
so
that way we can
stay up to date with the state on
the Intoxylizer
and
basically Intoxylizer will do the
that's what we have to use for our DUIs
it gives the print out
so then that way
Logan and Ben and
the judge they all have their original print outs
where they have a copy of the original print out
and it's filed with the state as well
so
it was either go for one day
or take off for a week in September
so I opted for the one day class
so that's how it all worked out
but
then that and I think
the fair went off without a hitch
there so
I do know that I need to sit down with the fair board
to figure out what some of their rules
are going to potentially be for next year
because
they were already asking if we were the ones
that were
supposed to be collecting money for camping
or
I got a complaint that
we're not allowed to be near the beer gardens
because it's considered entrapment
that was one
and then another complaint that
the deputies were outside the beer gardens
but from what I was
explained is
the reason we're down there during
the concerts and everything like that
near the beer garden is
Daniels County carries the insurance on it
and they're not allowed to have alcohol outside
the beer garden area
and so it's just a reminder hey
step back inside the gates you can't have alcohol
out here
but apparently
that's another complaint you guys would probably get
you're so hardcore
hardcore
well I witnessed
one of your deputies I think
sweating
the best
damn I felt sorry for him
did you bring me water?
I was going to throw water at him
he was just bringing a beer but he couldn't go out of the gates
he wouldn't let me go
I felt sorry
I sat down and watched him and he
Jesus
they get warm in there
underneath that body armor when it's negative 20
some guy
some friend must have walked up and told him
are you hot under there?
they get
it gets pretty warm
it's pretty warm underneath there
that's where
the floor we put in the waterproof
in the
I guess you would call it staying
puke proof or whatever
flooring down
in there
put it down in a glue down square so the net way
if for some apparent reason
it doesn't get damaged it's a matter of
feeling it up and putting another one right back down
in this place
don't call anybody else in
to do it
I'm still waiting
on the status of the cell door
I saw
Gavin I almost said Logan
I saw Gavin over the weekend
and I asked him
he was busy trying to
race his car
in the derby
so I didn't really get much of an answer
but
it's been a while hasn't it
I think it was in paint
last time he told me it was getting ready to be installed
so is everything up but the door?
or no
this guy we got to breathe in
the whole cell all of us
it's all
it comes in pieces
so
end of bed
somewhere to sit
I'm going to go steal that out of Flaxville
yeah I said steal that out of Flaxville
she said it's everything
out of them
you can take the bed out of it
get one out of the museum grounds
well some of it mentioned that too
I think it's kind of neat over there in that museum
might as well feel good
twin sister sitting over there in Flaxville
it's not even bolted down
it's not like we own it
we might as well bring it and utilize it
I think it'd be kind of good to have
yeah but if you strip it it's going to be hard to sell
it's already a cell
I knew you were going to say something
it's already a cell
let's go
but
we're doing that and then
I have a couple of this week
I have a couple meetings with
Border Patrol about a tabletop
on
7th
yes
10 in the morning I believe it is
or 9 in the morning
10 to 2
about the active shooter
and then we have some more training that evening
with fire department
and ambulance
we're doing training that night as well
joint training
and that'll include
all of dispatch
I'll include dispatch
myself
fire
and EMS
that's as far as I know
you got anything for me
good
what about you
not at this moment
I'm pretty sure you're probably the one on that list
for the firewall because you've been here since
2009
no
I'm not into that high tech stuff
so I did not volunteer
it's just a
A-OK that's all you had to say
I know but that's not the kind of guy I am
Lee did it
it being Jamie
oh yeah
it could be any of them
that truth is
that would be
we'll have to figure out how to move
from that point forward
if it's not everyone on there
I don't know what kind of documentation
the state might have for us if we
don't have the right people
on that letter
I ran to the situation
Chris
she's going just go
the commissioners now
write a letter stating
who they would like on this
on the list
on the security group
but it has to be on
it'll have to be on
their letterhead
stating
what they would like
if there isn't a current one
I don't need
good
so
all good
what about you Mr. Stephen
you got anything
I haven't been stopped
so I don't have complaints
I stay out of town
no you don't
no he's looking for me
so
I always stop
I use speed limit
use my turn signals
you've got no reason to stop me
I'm going to keep an extra
I don't need them
you're stepping in
if I walk out of banches
it's because I'm buying a lot of tickets
or were you eating a pizza
no
that's our sir burger
our burger or chicken sandwich
right
well do you behave yourself
do I
yes I do
I had to stop
I'll take that back
alright
I'll tell you right now before she racks me out
I'm going to rat you out
we were out
we were in my own pickup truck
had to go run it
it's been like 17 years I think
since we've taken it out of town
at all
so I'm coming back down
so I passed the road department
I went out past there and I turned around
down here French lane
coming back and we were looking at a couple of the old cars
that were out there
because she's interested in getting an old vehicle
to go ahead and start rebuilding it
and so I'm busy looking at these cars
we're passing by and we're passing the road department
we're coming up to the stop sign
and she says
are you going to stop for this
and I said stop for oh
I slam on the brakes
and she says what are you going to do
turn yourself into the sheriff
I'm so going to call
citizens arrest
that's what I said I said that
I said oh I'm going to give you a
actually I said I'm going to give you a
intersection
but yeah so
you get distracted sometimes
so everybody she tells
or she runs into she tells that too
oh I'm glad you don't
let us on some of this
so
I don't know about your intersection stuff
but you're speeding down the highway
I don't speed
stop it and ask me if I need any help
I went to Dickinson
that was the last one there
because I was driving the slowest
but you got there
yes I did
good
it's like the sticker says
stay safe
I love that one
I'm going to put that one on your car
just like your grandkids
I even drive the speed limit
on the county roads
45
can I interrupt
lights and sirens on
I forgot to say in my meeting
I talked to you
last month about going to that training
over in Helena
for the week
long
I'm not going to go to that
training that costs
money
well
the bigger check
I actually
feel
that it's
more advantageous
to there's attack conference
I will get
a lot more information
better training
for my position
to do that and it's only three days long
it's like half day
first day full day
and then another half day
still in Helena
it would only be two nights
that one would be at the beginning
of September
versus the end of September
so
if I can do that
that would be better
and I think it would be a little less
less money
versus the 500
costing
so
I would be able to bring a lot more
back to dispatch
with that than I would
with the other one
so
just something to think about
and it's like I said
it's not till September
and it's the 11th
10th, 11th and 12th
I believe
September
the other one is going to be gone a whole week
it's going to put too much of a strain
on dispatch and this way
I can just jump over there
and jump back and bring
stuff back
to not only
a lot more knowledge but a lot more
I mean tangible
stuff too
for the dispatch
so
just throwing that out there
so
I'm going to take off because I've got to run back down to dispatch
sounds good
you're going to run down the block
I try one time
I'm going to run
I'm going to be like Casey Cromwell last night
at the Derby
running all over the place
that was funny
that was funny
I'm going to try one more time
thank you
bye
bye
that's where we're at with all of that
well I hope you get things
squared away with the
fairboard on this
it's just a situation
you know I've got no problems
going to the campground
at all
but if an individual parks
in their campground
and doesn't come to my office
I'm not
a camping police
and I should
we suggested to them
that maybe they need
more people
policing that than coming
on the sheriff you've got other things to do
I understand that
you know
why people want to park down there
I would
if I was going to come in here and pretty much use a camper
to camp in Scobie
and camp down there too
I mean they've got facilities
well it's going to change somewhat because
they've raised the price of their camping
yeah
you'll see a lot less of it probably
right now
yeah probably
at the opening of bird season
when every campground we have
here opens up
and everyone comes in
and
some people might steer away from the
the uh when you call it the fairgrounds
because of the price
but
towards the end when it's getting cold
they're going to want to plug their trailer in
they're going to go plug their trailer in
well it gives their dogs more
to run and move out there
they didn't tell them I think
I know I think well it's still
still the camp there is still cheaper
one night there than it is
one night at downtown
and that place packs
all their dogs tied up
back behind the hotel
so
I know Kent says
the VRBO is just killing him though
he's already had like six cancellations
for hunting season already
oh yeah
people are trying to get houses in town
yeah
and there's rules and limits on that too
people don't follow him but there are
I think there's a city ordinance
I'm on that zoning board
and I you're not yeah
isn't there a maximum
of eight of those or something
uh I guess 13
or 14 maybe it's more
and that's for
renting out the homes for
basically recreational
and not having it
licensed as a bed and breakfast
it has to be a VRBO and so it has to be
licensed with the state
and in accordance with that
you're supposed to pay the bed tax
so
we'll see what happens
yeah I don't know
places in town where people had
four and five trailers
and pickups
and that's a no no because you can't take out that much
of the streets
you're allowed so much through a VRBO
you know
and our rules state that
you can't just
encompass a whole block
with trailers and dogs and people
just stay there
then you can park
in the neighbor's yards
and what happens
in case of an emergency can't get it
you can't get an
emergency vehicle near
the front door because you got
all this crap in the way so
for 30 plus
public comments on any
public matter not on the agenda
John Lybrand is present
we are recording
which on your mind
well these are some things
to update you on what's been happening
with the cemetery board
I have a copy of the June
19
minutes
I got this
week or so go
under their new business
it says go for overrun
slash control
a very long
and detailed discussion took place
on this year's extreme over
population of gophers
and the damage they are causing
to the grounds
a shooting incident at the cemetery
on Memorial Day
by a local person
resulted in the police
being called
a verbal warning was given
in the past and at the
present time local people
shoot gophers in the cemetery
according to caliber
or PB guns
helping to control the population
and damage
this has never caused an
issue until this individual
used poor judgment in his timing
given there were other people present
on the grounds
Tom and John met with the county
commissioners the following week for
guidance and were told
that no shooting signs could be
found
if the board chooses to
John entered a motion
to put up signs for no discharge
of weapons on cemetery grounds
at any time
Trevor made a second
motion to open it for discussion
which after lengthfully
debate the motion failed
one, two, three
Trevor will talk to
Clint Lowe our sheriff
to set up a special meeting with the
board to discuss
statutes on shooting
in public
then I got
an email from
Trevor
addressed to the board members
I spoke
with Rex Morgan and
Logan Olson last week here's
what I got
Rex and I had a good talk
I brought up my hypothetical
of something similar happening
in pioneer days
in my opinion that a warning
or citation would be issued in that
circumstance
he agreed
Rex came up with
potentially applying
Montana code 45-8-
111
there is
link
and I should have printed that out
I did print it out
but I forgot to bring it with me
there was a discussion
with regard to the wording
on some of that
then a paragraph I brought up
to Logan and ask his opinion
45-8-111
could be used
in the future or a similar situation
the law
requires that any considerable
number of persons be
endangered
and Logan did not think that
requirement could be met when only
a handful of people were at the
cemetery
he said if gopher shooting happened
during the funeral service out there
for example
then this public nuisance statute
would qualify
so that is where we stand
about getting on the commissioner's schedule
and then I replied to
him and everyone else
there thank you for looking
into this
I looked at 45-8
that Saturday yesterday
we do have a public
cemetery
and it only takes one person to get hurt
there also might be an issue shooting
so close to a highway
my friend suggested
yes and gopher is with propane
so that was
for the June
and then
I e-mailed
some things
to Tom
he didn't reply for a while
and so I texted him
and
then he did
take some action there
this is
and then one of the things that they sent
I didn't ask for it but they sent it
these are preliminary minutes
not board approved
for July 17
and down
again about to gopher overrun
this is
indirectly involved
with the gopher problem
Trevor donated a Honda engine
on a cart
Tom took this home and modified it by welding
on a muffler
fitting for a hose
which can be placed on gopher holes to gas them
Wyatt will instruct the workers
on how to use this and they will get started
going from hole to hole
and filling in with dirt as they go
hopes are that with continued use
this should bring the overpopulation
under control quickly
the discussion
continued on the shooting
incident from Memorial Day
John made a motion
to put a notice in the leader
to request
that the Hove Lake
notify
notify a board member
on pest control
before taking action
on their own
Trevor second
board discussion
felt the ad may bring unwanted attention
to the gopher problem
the motion failed by a vote
of
1 to 3 against
John made an additional
motion for a new district
rule for a no discharge
of weapons in cemetery
the motion failed
for lack of a second
motion
the meeting adjourned
minutes by Marley Bray
and then
she put in
on 624
2024
and so
that's on the other side
the meeting was held July 17
and her
dendms dated 624
addendum to minutes
received email
from Trevor that he had a meeting
with Deputy Rex Morgan
discussing different scenarios
that could be similar to our gopher
shooting incident with people present
Rex stated MP code
45-8-11
public nuisance
then presented this to Logan Holson
asking this
would apply if he had a future incident
he said only
if it was perhaps during
a funeral
as there would be a large group of people and it could apply
Trevor did not pursue
making an agenda appointment
with commissioners
Marla visited
at length with the individual
that was shooting out the gopher that day
he profusely
apologized for causing such an issue
as
was certainly not his intent
he stated he fired
the shot straight down at the gopher
on the opposite side
of the vehicle from anyone present
and at a distance away
he did not feel
in any way that he put anyone
in danger
and never would have
any intent to
this information was discussed
at the July 19
meeting
and then
I replied to Tom
after he sent me
this preliminary on the July meeting
thanks for
sending these on wording of motions
there is a risk of misunderstanding
if they are not put in verbatim
this happened with my first
motion
my first sentence was completely
omitted
I am not sure
about how the two
identities should be incorporated in the minutes
conversations between one
board member
and another person can provide useful
information but words can get lost
or changed unwittingly
it is better if two board members
were present before incorporating
them in the minutes
there was a minor comment
here which does imply
someone was tardy coming to the meeting
and so
they did not log in the time that that person
came
I just said thank you to everyone who is up here
and bring better order to the cemetery
so
I had this written
out this
first motion that I gave
and
I had some abbreviations
I read it loud and then
Marla asked to
read it and I explained
in the side letter
anyway it got read a couple of times
loud
so here is what I asked
on my first motion
in the July meeting
I noticed to be put in
the paper
by the board
we are aware of a significant
go for a problem at the cemetery
and are taking actions to solve it
period
we encourage
the public to contact us
before taking any actions
on their own
so that is
kind of a softer way
of
enlisting their help
in any remedies
several people
I have talked to
they will want to be just poison
they have done a lot of research
on that
so we have not pursued that
but they did pursue
the other avenue
with this exhaust
from the gas engine
so they are working on it
I take
what this individual apparently said
to Marla
as being an honest statement that it was
an error on his part
I do disagree
with some of the assertions he made
about
where the vehicle was located
in which direction
it was pointed
and the distances
certainly the distances were
I would say
not much over 150 feet away
from the flying pool to where the
vehicle was parked
but
rather than get into that
part of it
I am more concerned
that in effect
we are
not doing anything about the danger
that exists out at the cemetery
I think
the public has the right
to feel that they are in a safe
place out there
and
one person
that was there that day
and
saw this individual riding around
with the rifle pointed out
his window was
thinking
that's really weird
it was for me when I heard
the shot go off
I thought it was a fire packer maybe
but turned out it was more than that
I think we all
appreciated Mr. Lund
coming to the meeting
to hear what
was going on there
when you get down
to cases it gets difficult
sometimes but
you know we have these
these large
notice out there about the rules
there are seven of them one and then
we
some people
that were formally on the board there
and put up these chains
and people have been pretty good about not driving
in
but that stands out very clearly
to people
staying on the gravel road
one of the things that shocked me
was that this pickup was way up on the grass
so that wasn't quite right
and then the rifle and all that
you know this
it's not a safe way to do things
do you have any questions
about
what's been happening there
I tried to keep it
in line with
the tenor of the thing
I
I think if we could handle it
without going specifically
into what types of weapons
and all that
just ask
somebody to figure out a way
and I thought about it
how you could have a controlled
shooting
of gophers out there
it's tough
those head markers
and foot markers are laying flat
on the ground that's where the gophers are
and they dig down
near the monuments
on my dad's
slot there
there's one of them that's quite sunken down
and
looking up
you might not even notice that there's
a hard surface that
you're shooting
towards where the gopher is
and then you get a ricochet
we did have one person
a Murphy
monument
there that was
complained to the board a few months ago
and
pretty minor but
people tend to notice
when something happens
to
something out there
you don't know
it's pretty rare
I didn't know that there was such
a problem there with the shooting
going on
because I'm not out there normally the time of day
but apparently
they don't think it's a big deal
to go out there
but from everything I've read
in the hunter education
course
and that
there's too many violations there
to make it safe
to do what they did
and
I can work on another motion
but I
not sure that that would help
at this point
other than just bring it up
every month
if somebody is found out in the meantime
a better solution to that
the one about
the highway
it was
interpreted
that
it was against the law
to shoot over a highway
well when I read that
link through
it was maybe
didn't say that explicitly
over but it did say
if you're shooting
in such a fashion that
a passage
you are from a public highway
and that's what we have out there
we have about
five or six entrances
right off the highway into the cemetery
and so the fact that
they could be
located
close to the highway in our shooting
you violated a state law
there with the highway
and
I don't think they would be
pleased to hear that that was going on
so
if the board
elects to continue
to not intervene
with the cemetery board
then
I guess it goes to
some other avenue
to try to get it safe out there
certainly I've talked with Logan
you don't want to try
to prohibit people from bringing weapons
onto the cemetery
it's just the discharging of them
I mean in self defense
you could
out there if somebody
were malicious out there
and you had to defend yourself then
that's a different story
but at this point
it's just a matter of
maybe trying to help out
with the gophers
it's not a matter of
helping in that fashion
but otherwise
what's your solution of the whole thing
well I guess my first one
after the original motion
was to get the notice on paper
to try to get the people
to come to the board and say
we think we can do this
in a safe manner
well I guess
if you cordoned off
the access
and had three people
or so abreast
each knowing their fields
of fire and so forth
and very very careful
you could do some control
shooting out there but it's still
you risk hitting a tombstone
or something
that might cause a problem
what do other cemeteries do
for pest control?
probably Tom knows
a lot more than I do
we did find
the Texas Hasel Oggins
I think I read that last time
but I mean in Montana
something similar to what we have here
right
I really don't know
somebody has to
come up against the same things we are
I would think so
one of the problems
maybe they'd have a solution
yeah
one of the problems
is we get a lot of input
that we
believe is right
but
it turns out
to be one's personal interpretation
and
sometimes that's necessary
but this one of Marla's
where she didn't put a verbatim
or even close to a verbatim one
on my first motion
that's what I objected to
with Tom
I don't know what we're going to come up with
this one certainly was a preliminary one
for July
that was my attempt
there to
get away from zeroing
in on a particular way
of taking care
of the gophers
I mean I think
he was kind of slanted
because he does make some assertions
there about
where it was pointed
and what the distance were and all that
but
I think
he probably has
some people
aware
that you just don't run out there
and start taking care of gophers by shooting
and he probably has passed the word around
which
indirectly is helpful but
still
you do run into the problem of
well
what's the sheriff for the deputy going to do
and we don't have a rule
well Rex was telling me
that he's limited
I can't cite him
or find him
or things like that
so I think
to put a little pressure on
the sheriff's office that
I mean they did a good job the first time out
but second time I don't know
I mean you have to wait
to get a number of calls and you have to wait
which is important but this was important
to catch it right at the spot
and if it in the bud
and I don't think it's really up to
the
public to police
the cemetery
as far as I know you could intervene
with the cemetery
board and whether that would be
a good way to do that
I'd rather see people agree
on the way to do it
than to just
continue to live with
the problem and
are they still shooting out there?
I have no idea
so basically what you're saying is because
the cemetery board won't put a ruling to
no discharging firearms you want
the commissioners to do it
not necessarily but I think
it's important that they
are aware of the difficulties
of getting even this
first motion
like one of the board members
said
maybe after the vote was
taken
better not to
fan the flames to the fire
that's out there
I think what you should do as a board
is find out what other
cemetery districts are doing
utilizing
and
maybe there's a
solution to it by just talking to
somebody else that's doing the same thing you guys are
right
I guess I could make phone calls
as well as Tom
they put in a lot of extra time
on the effort and I could
find out
if you ever had that problem
I have visited
other cemeteries
and
some other
ones that I can't remember
right now and I could
find out
if there are cemeteries ruled
they have to have the same issues and problems
yeah
sometimes cemeteries
probably just don't care
about the gophers out there
because a lot of them just fail to leave them
to just weigh
the prairies intended
yeah
well it's
going to be a preventive thing
before somebody
happens to get hurt
and somebody calls it
an accident
I don't think that would
fly in a legal case
call it an accident
those guys are out there
they got
the workers
probably more to be concerned
than anybody else
they got plugs on
they are watching the ground
they are very much
concentrated on a specific task
moving it motor trimmed
and
one of them has been out there at 8 o'clock in the morning
I don't know when the shooting
mostly happens
but
it could be a problem
so yeah
I'll start doing that
with the callings of cemeteries
and
see what we can help with
I think there's gas in them all
yeah
it's sort of time consuming
but
I think they got enough people out there to concentrate on it
it's pretty well taken care of now
with the mowing
I don't know what their progress is on that
I know
there are a lot of gophers out there
a lot of flights
but it could be a lot more out there
to where they're in a hole
yep
okay thank you
thank you for your comments John
right
you
can you check that off
yes
we will adjourn
until tomorrow morning
August 6
at 9 o'clock